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Diarmaid MacCulloch on Christianity, Sex, and Unsettling Settled Facts

January 21, 2026

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  • Christianity's early egalitarian instinct, evidenced by baptism replacing male circumcision as the entry rite, was a genuine innovation that was largely suppressed by later church traditions imposing ancient world patterns. 
  • The 12th-century transformation in Western views on marriage, making procreation a necessary characteristic, stemmed directly from changing theological emphasis on the unique power and purity required of the clergy celebrating the Eucharist. 
  • The historian's true vocation, as exemplified by Diarmaid MacCulloch's work, is to unsettle settled facts to keep humanity sane, a process illustrated by the Protestant Reformation's shift from the celibate monk model to the clerical family as the Christian ideal. 

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Monotheism and Monogamy Correlation
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  • Key Takeaway: Christianity adopted monogamy not primarily from Judaism, but likely to appeal to the monogamous Greek and Roman societies it sought to influence.
  • Summary: Monotheism does not strictly correlate with monogamy, as Judaism historically allowed polygyny until external pressure from Christian society in the 12th century. Greek and Roman civilizations were unusually monogamous in the ancient world, suggesting Christianity retained this feature to gain traction in those cultures. This contrasts with the intellectual subordination often present in Greek and Roman sexual relationships, which Christianity intellectually aimed to abolish.
Egalitarianism in Early Christianity
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  • Key Takeaway: Baptism, available to both men and women, served as Christianity’s primary liturgical affirmation of equality between the sexes, contrasting sharply with Judaism’s male-centric circumcision rite.
  • Summary: Christianity introduced a radical egalitarian element through baptism, which contrasts with the male initiation rite of Judaism. Paul’s writings in 1 Corinthians 7:3 suggest a reciprocal ownership of bodies between husband and wife, an idea often spiritualized away by later traditions, especially in Eastern Orthodoxy. The subsequent 2,000 years of Christian history often involved a retreat from this initial egalitarianism toward the male-centered norms of the ancient world.
Pauline Marriage and Church History
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  • Key Takeaway: The Pauline concept of reciprocal physical ownership in marriage was emphasized by medieval Western canon lawyers, leading to the requirement that marriage must be open to procreation.
  • Summary: The reciprocal physical claim in marriage found in 1 Corinthians 7:3 was largely ignored by many generations, particularly in Eastern Orthodoxy, which spiritualized the concept. Medieval Western canon lawyers, however, focused on this text to establish that marriage must be characterized by the possibility of procreation. This shift contrasts with earlier practices, such as that of Saint Etheldreda, who married but remained celibate, a scenario that would be theologically problematic after the 12th century.
Eucharist and Clerical Celibacy Shift
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  • Key Takeaway: The 11th and 12th-century imposition of celibacy on all Western clergy was a direct consequence of elevating the Eucharist to a uniquely powerful act performed by a priest, demanding maximum purity.
  • Summary: The logic driving clerical celibacy was the belief that the priest’s celebration of the Mass (Eucharist) was so powerful that the celebrant needed extreme sexual purity. This led to an amalgamation of the roles of the celibate monk and the priest for the first time in Christian history. This change subsequently influenced views on laity marriage, logically requiring it to be open to procreation since the clergy were now exclusively celibate.
Origins of Homosexuality Hostility
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  • Key Takeaway: Christian hostility toward same-sex relationships originated from both Judaism’s emphasis on procreation and an austere, world-denying strain of Greek philosophy adopted by early Christians.
  • Summary: The New Testament references to same-sex relationships, such as in Romans, are marginal and often linked to idolatry rather than being a central focus. The terms used, Arsenekoitai and Malakoi, likely referred to unequal, age-based relationships common in classical Greek society, not modern, lifelong partnerships. Unlike Christianity, Islam maintained a more traditional acceptance of same-sex relationships mirroring pre-Christian Greek and Roman norms.
Critique of Foucault on Sexuality
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  • Key Takeaway: Michel Foucault’s assertion that homosexuality was invented in the 19th century is flawed because it relies too heavily on linguistic coining dates and ignores evidence of equal, lifelong same-sex relationships in the ancient world.
  • Summary: Foucault’s historical analysis of sexuality is deemed unreliable, particularly because he neglected the nature of ancient society in favor of textual analysis. Scholars like John Boswell and Alan Bray, who converted to Catholicism, often presented special pleading to argue for historical hospitality toward same-sex relations within Christianity. Foucault’s focus on the 19th-century coining of the word ‘homosexuality’ overlooks earlier manifestations of committed, equal same-sex partnerships.
Cousin Marriage and Western Rise
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  • Key Takeaway: The theory linking the rise of the West to the church banning cousin marriage is overly simplistic and inaccurate, as clan structures were not significantly broken up by Christianity.
  • Summary: The hypothesis that banning cousin marriage dismantled clan structures and spurred Western development is rejected as too simple. Cousin marriages continued to occur within Christianity, often requiring papal dispensation in the West. The fundamental structures of families and clans did not undergo the significant transformation required to support this theory.
Mary’s Role in Islam vs. Christianity
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  • Key Takeaway: Mary appears more frequently and prominently in the Quran than in the Bible, likely due to the influence of Meletian Christianity on the Quran’s composition, while her elevated status in later Christianity was built on scanty New Testament evidence.
  • Summary: Jesus’s family members are treated dismissively in the New Testament because the text was written by the faction that won the post-Jesus leadership conflict against the dynastic claims of the family. The later church constructed Mary’s central role as Queen of Heaven despite the scant scriptural foundation. In Islam, Mary receives honor because her son, Jesus, is given a place of great honor among the prophets.
Medieval Cathedral Building Boom
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  • Key Takeaway: The 12th and 13th-century cathedral building boom was financed by secular nobility seeking masses and prayers in side altars to purge sins accumulated through warfare, facilitated by the development of Purgatory doctrine.
  • Summary: Cathedrals and abbeys became ‘factories of prayer’ because the Western Church developed the concept of Purgatory, a middle state where sins could be purged through clerical intercession. The nobility, involved in bloodshed which Christianity disapproved of, heavily endowed these churches with land to secure prayers for their souls. This system was supported by the highly integrated network of dioceses and parishes established from the 9th century onward, providing pastoral care across Europe.
English Catholicism Survival Factors
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  • Key Takeaway: Catholicism survived better in England than in the Nordic countries because the English nobility remained divided during the Reformation, whereas Scandinavian monarchs enforced Lutheranism more thoroughly.
  • Summary: In Scandinavia, the nobility uniformly adopted the Reformation, leading to the near-total suppression of Catholicism. In England, the division among the nobility allowed many gentry with personal ties to pre-Reformation bishops to remain Catholic. Ireland presents a counter-case where the population rejected the Protestant religion of the ruling classes.
Reformation and Clerical Marriage
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  • Key Takeaway: The Protestant Reformation’s most significant impact was Luther’s insistence that clergy marry, which replaced the celibate monk as the model for Christian life and established the clerical family as the standard for laity.
  • Summary: The Protestant concept of ‘justification by faith alone’ meant salvation was in God’s hands, not the clergy’s, undermining the special status conferred by celibacy. By making clergy marry, Protestantism effectively dismantled the monastery as the central medieval institution. The parish minister with his family became the new model for all Christians, reversing the medieval ideal centered on the celibate priest.
Tudor Meritocracy and Elizabeth I
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  • Key Takeaway: The rise of non-aristocratic figures like Cromwell and Cranmer under the early Tudors was encouraged by Henry VII’s weak claim to the throne, but Queen Elizabeth I was the most consequential figure in setting the long-term pattern for the Church of England.
  • Summary: Henry VII promoted capable men of non-noble background because he distrusted the established aristocracy, a pattern Henry VIII initially continued before favoring nobles again. Cranmer survived Henry VIII by demonstrating loyalty, though this required good men to commit acts under a narcissistic monarch. Elizabeth I’s appreciation for music and her dislike of religious fanaticism led her to patronize elaborate church music, thereby saving the cathedral tradition and setting the enduring pattern for the Church of England.
Decline of English Music and Bach’s Meaning
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  • Key Takeaway: English Renaissance music, though brilliant, declined after the Reformation until the late 19th century, while the organ music of J.S. Bach remains a powerful vehicle for connecting with the transcendent beyond human evil.
  • Summary: The Reformation dismantled the lavish musical tradition of late medieval England, though composers like Byrd survived by serving the Protestant church. England became reliant on imported German composers like Handel in the 18th century, only regaining international musical respect in the late 19th century. Bach’s chorale preludes are particularly moving because they interact with familiar Lutheran melodies, offering a way to lose oneself amid present-day miseries and connect to the divine.
C.S. Lewis Successors and Anglican Decline
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  • Key Takeaway: While C.S. Lewis’s popularity is unique, geniuses like him emerge unpredictably, and the decline in English Anglican church attendance reflects a cultural shift away from needing religion for social respectability.
  • Summary: The children’s fiction of C.S. Lewis is considered manipulative by some, with Rowan Williams’s poetry and T.S. Eliot cited as other profound religious writers. Anglican numbers in England have fallen because the church is no longer a prerequisite for social respectability in a multicultural society. The Church of England maintains a unique mission to minister to the entire nation, including non-attenders, a role appreciated by other faiths.
Christianity Without Hell
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  • Key Takeaway: Sustainable Christianity can exist without a strong belief in hell, as evidenced by Scandinavian countries where cultural belonging persists despite low church attendance, contrasting with Reformed Protestantism which relies heavily on eschatological sticks.
  • Summary: The doctrine of hell is profoundly unconvincing, though removing it causes church attendance to plummet, as seen in Scotland where Calvinism without hell loses appeal. The Scandinavian model demonstrates ‘belonging without believing,’ where baptism remains a cultural marker even if systematic belief is absent. Christianity is a religion of both orthopraxy (practice) and orthodoxy (doctrine), and practice alone can sustain religious identity.
Historians’ Role in Sanity
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  • Key Takeaway: Historians serve humanity by acting as the profession that keeps the human race sane by unsettling settled facts and establishing methods for judging truth from falsehood.
  • Summary: The historian’s primary function is to challenge established narratives, exemplified by the irony of civil servants fearing that archive access would ‘unsettle many settled facts.’ While historians do not cure cancer or launch rockets, they provide the framework for sane societal futures by revealing what is true and false about the past. This self-renewing inquiry ensures the historical profession remains vital.