Episode 530: Lindsey Vonn: Building Mental Toughness Through Injury, Pressure, and Setbacks
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- Lindsey Vonn attributes her elite success to a combination of innate drive, strong parental cultivation of work ethic, and significant personal sacrifice, including missing typical social experiences.
- Mental toughness, which Vonn's father emphasized from a young age, was the crucial quality that separated her from her peers, especially when facing career-threatening injuries.
- Transitioning out of elite sports is profoundly difficult, as identity becomes intertwined with the sport, requiring a significant period of self-redefinition post-retirement.
- For Lindsey Vonn, managing chronic physical issues requires constant work, where stopping exercise leads to falling apart, and specific mobility work, like stretching the chest and lats, is crucial for alleviating pain stemming from tight hip flexors.
- True high-performance individuals, unlike those focused on overly complex 'biohacking' routines, prioritize the basics and maintain a realistic balance, including allowing for occasional indulgences like ice cream and comfort TV.
- Self-belief is paramount for overcoming self-doubt, as Lindsey Vonn emphasizes that if you do not believe in yourself, no one else will, and achieving goals requires hard work, not just magical manifestation.
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Sponsor Read: Therasage Red Light
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- Key Takeaway: Therasage Tri-Light panel is a portable red light therapy tool used for reducing inflammation, pain relief, and anti-aging benefits.
- Summary: The sponsor read highlights the Therasage Tri-Light panel as a portable biohacking tool for healing. It is used personally for reducing inflammation and pain in areas like the back, stomach, shoulder, or ankle. The device also offers anti-aging benefits, including reducing fine lines and wrinkles.
Introduction and Adrenaline Junkie
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- Key Takeaway: Lindsey Vonn’s love for speed in downhill skiing, reaching 84 mph, is a natural extension of an innate tendency to push limits, not solely driven by adrenaline seeking.
- Summary: The host expresses excitement for having Lindsey Vonn, an elite downhill skier, on the Habits & Hustle podcast. Vonn clarifies that her initial drive came from loving skiing and always pushing limits, like climbing trees as a child. The fastest speed she clocked was 84 miles per hour, which she compares to the familiar speed of highway driving.
Early Inspiration and Olympic Plan
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- Key Takeaway: Meeting Olympic skier Picabo Street at age nine provided Vonn with a tangible role model, leading her father to create a formal 10-year plan for her to reach the Olympics.
- Summary: Vonn met her role model, Picabo Street (1998 Olympic gold medalist), at age nine, which made skiing feel tangible and cool. Following this meeting, Vonn declared her goal to be in the Olympics, prompting her father to create a detailed 10-year plan targeting the 2002 Salt Lake City Games. Her family subsequently moved to Colorado to support this pursuit.
Early Mountain Exposure and Drive
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn began skiing around age two and a half, sometimes being carried in her father’s backpack while he coached, indicating constant early exposure to the mountain environment.
- Summary: Vonn started skiing at two and a half years old and was often carried in her father’s backpack while he coached. A pivotal moment for her father was seeing her hike up the mountain to ski down repeatedly during a rain and lightning delay at age nine, demonstrating exceptional dedication. Vonn believes her drive is a combination of innate talent, a love for the sport, and cultivation from role models like her hard-working grandparents.
Talent vs. Work Ethic Discussion
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- Key Takeaway: Talent is only a small component of success; grit and work ethic are more critical for achieving high levels of performance, as evidenced by Vonn’s siblings pursuing different paths despite similar upbringings.
- Summary: The host notes the parallel between Vonn’s book, Strong is a New Beautiful, and his own, Strong is a New Skinny. Vonn argues that while she was innately talented, her siblings, who shared the same environment, lacked the same competitive drive and pursued careers in business and consulting. She emphasizes that a strong work ethic can elevate even a small amount of talent to extraordinary heights.
Father’s Ski Career Interruption
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn’s father, a Junior National Champion skier, had his trajectory cut short at age 18 due to a blown knee, leading him to become a highly successful litigator.
- Summary: Vonn’s father was on an elite skiing path until a knee injury ended his career, at which point knee surgery options were limited. He subsequently became a highly driven and successful lawyer in the country, a trait Vonn acknowledges inheriting. Vonn’s mother is also described as incredibly smart and a talented athlete in squash and tennis.
Teenage Training Regimen Details
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- Key Takeaway: During her peak teenage training years, Vonn often trained five hours on snow before lunch, followed by dryland training, naps, and video review, demonstrating an intense, structured schedule.
- Summary: When Vonn was 12, her mother moved with her to Colorado for training, with her father commuting weekly from Minnesota. Summer training involved waking before (6:00) AM to ski until the snow softened (about five hours), followed by lunch, a nap, dryland training, and video review. At age 15, to pass the U.S. Ski Team physical test, her father mandated 100 push-ups and sit-ups daily, plus track work.
Making the US Ski Team
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- Key Takeaway: Making the U.S. Ski Team at 15 meant Vonn was immediately placed on a rigorous training program comparable to a 27-year-old, including complex lifts like power cleans, and required mandatory relocation to Park City.
- Summary: Upon making the team, Vonn was given a program including exercises like power cleans, which she did not know how to perform, causing her to gain weight. This period required her to live alone in Park City before the 2002 Olympics, leading to significant time away from her parents since age nine. Vonn notes she missed typical social experiences like proms but gained independence and pride in her world travel.
Sacrifice and Mental Toughness
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn views life as a series of choices involving sacrifice, and her ability to quickly learn from failures and move on—rather than dwelling on mistakes—was key to her resilience.
- Summary: Vonn believes that sports teach children how to fail and recover, which is essential for life. She states she never doubted her capability to return after injury, though she worried about her meniscus damage after her second knee blowout. Her philosophy is to learn from mistakes quickly and move forward, as fearing failure means one is not truly living or skiing.
Identity Crisis Post-Retirement
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- Key Takeaway: Retirement was extremely hard because skiing was the central focus of Vonn’s life, making every decision easy; its sudden absence forced her to spend a year and a half redefining her identity and priorities.
- Summary: Vonn describes the transition out of skiing as very difficult because every aspect of her life revolved around it, making decision-making simple. When skiing ended, she struggled to organize her new opportunities and determine her priorities, taking about a year and a half to find her footing. She realized her happiness came from the feeling that ‘anything is possible’ when working hard, which she now seeks in new ventures.
Sponsor Read: Prolon Fasting Mimicking Diet
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- Key Takeaway: Prolon’s five-day patented fasting-mimicking diet, developed at USD’s Longevity Institute, triggers cellular repair and renewal for benefits like improved metabolic health and reduced biological age.
- Summary: The Prolon program is presented as a sustainable way to optimize performance by triggering the body’s natural repair processes at the cellular level. It is a plant-based program that nourishes the body while maintaining a fasting state, unlike a cleanse or crash diet. Benefits include fat-focused weight loss, improved energy, and reduced biological age, all achieved in five days without relying on willpower.
Maintaining Authenticity Post-Career
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn maintains her down-to-earth nature by regularly returning to her family in Wisconsin, where interactions remain unchanged by her professional success, reinforcing that her priorities and values remain grounded.
- Summary: Despite achieving global success, Vonn remains grounded because her family and cousins in Wisconsin treat her the same way, roasting marshmallows and talking about life without acknowledging her fame. She emphasizes that she skied out of passion, not for fame, ensuring her morals and values were never compromised. She views her success as not making her ‘more special than anyone else.’
Forced Retirement Due to Injury
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn was forced to retire in February 2019 after crashing in November, which resulted in a torn LCL and three tibial fractures, leaving her feeling ‘held together by duct tape.’
- Summary: Vonn confirms her retirement was due to cumulative injuries, noting that after her final crash in November 2018, she felt she could not continue. She had undergone three surgeries that summer and was skiing on severely damaged ligaments. The moment she realized it was over was while crying in the hospital after that final crash.
Mental Health and Coping Mechanisms
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- Key Takeaway: Skiing served as Vonn’s primary outlet and therapy, allowing her to be fully present and release internalized stress, which was crucial during periods of depression and loneliness throughout her career.
- Summary: Vonn admits that skiing was a great distraction and outlet, especially when she felt alone or in pain from injuries. She used the intense focus required for racing to block out noise, which she now replicates through intense workouts in the gym. She has journaled since age nine as a coping mechanism and feels she is currently in a balanced place due to the lessons learned from her career and personal challenges.
Post-Retirement Entrepreneurship
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn is now heavily involved in business, including advising a sports fund with Avenue Capital alongside figures like Steph Curry, and investing in sports teams like LAFC and Real Salt Lake.
- Summary: Vonn is actively involved in business ventures, including her ski line and production company, and is now an advisor for a sports fund managed by Avenue Capital. She enjoys investing in sports, particularly women’s sports, through entities like LAFC and Real Salt Lake. She notes that the non-glamorous reality of constant travel for business is often hidden by social media portrayals.
Social Media and Mental Toll
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn utilizes keyword filters on social media to hide overtly negative comments, recognizing the disproportionate mental impact a single negative comment can have compared to numerous positive ones.
- Summary: Vonn finds the current social media environment terrible for kids because bullies are often within their inner circle, unlike the anonymous critics she faces. She tries to use her platform positively, often advising younger athletes recovering from injuries. She employs a keyword filter to manage the influx of negativity, which can otherwise spiral one’s mental state despite overwhelming positive feedback.
Current Fitness Routine and Recovery
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn’s current fitness routine involves daily cardio (biking/elliptical) and hot/cold contrast therapy, as she must actively work out to manage inflammation and prevent her body from ‘falling apart’ post-injury.
- Summary: Despite a demanding travel schedule, Vonn maintains a routine that includes at least 30 minutes of cardio, often followed by a 10-minute sauna session and a cold plunge, which she finds necessary to manage inflammation in her knees. She notes that jumping into a sauna without a subsequent cold plunge can cause her knee to swell due to increased circulation. She emphasizes that working out is mandatory for her physical maintenance, not just mental sanity.
Training Recovery Science
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- Key Takeaway: Jumping into a cold plunge immediately after weightlifting is counterproductive because it restricts blood flow, stopping the muscle repair and rebuilding process that occurs after tearing muscle fibers.
- Summary: Vonn’s trainer advised that cold plunges should be avoided immediately after weightlifting, as this activity tears muscle fibers which then rebuild stronger. The cold restricts veins and stops the necessary bleeding/repair process, halting muscle building. Cold plunges are appropriate after cardio, where the goal is cardiovascular strength, not muscle hypertrophy.
Recovery Modalities and Inflammation
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- Key Takeaway: For Lindsey Vonn, using the sauna without preceding cold plunging can trigger inflammation, particularly in previously injured areas like her knee.
- Summary: Cardio alone only builds cardiovascular strength, and Vonn requires cold plunges after sauna use to manage inflammation related to past surgeries. Her body requires constant maintenance, and stopping workouts causes her to physically fall apart.
Body Awareness and Self-Healing
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- Key Takeaway: Understanding the correlation between body parts allows for self-healing, as Vonn notes that neglecting posterior chain work causes her back to hurt.
- Summary: Athletes can learn to self-heal by understanding how different body systems correlate, such as recognizing that back pain might originate from tight hip flexors. This knowledge is crucial for managing injuries when constant access to therapists is unavailable.
Non-Mainstream Mobility Tips
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- Key Takeaway: Stretching the chest and opening the thoracic spine significantly alleviates Vonn’s issues caused by prolonged sitting and tight hip flexors.
- Summary: Mobility stretching, specifically targeting the chest and lats, is highly effective for counteracting tightness developed from sitting frequently on planes or in offices. Vonn credits her chiropractor, Lorenzo, for identifying that tight chest and hip flexors are the source of most of her problems.
Supplements and Biohacking Skepticism
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn is skeptical of many supplements, believing that the basics work best and that extensive morning routines are often unrealistic and profit-driven.
- Summary: Vonn only takes basic supplements like collagen, protein powder, B12, and Vitamin D3, feeling that more complex regimens are often unrealistic time commitments. She suggests that many biohacking trends are simply money-makers capitalizing on the desire to stay young.
Dietary Balance and Airplane Food Warning
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- Key Takeaway: Maintaining life balance includes enjoying treats like ice cream, but airplane food should be avoided entirely due to extreme insulin spiking from preservatives and sugars.
- Summary: Vonn advocates for balance, enjoying comfort foods like ice cream linked to positive nostalgia (like watching Law & Order). She strongly advises against eating on planes because the food causes severe insulin spikes, often worse than eating dessert, and her knee swelling acts as a health meter for poor dietary choices.
Alcohol Preference and Type
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- Key Takeaway: Tequila, specifically Lobos, is the only alcohol Vonn finds that does not cause swelling or spike her insulin levels.
- Summary: Vonn limits her alcohol consumption to tequila, noting that gin acts as a greater depressant than vodka due to longer fermentation and higher sugar content. She is an investor in the premium tequila brand Lobos.
Body Image Struggles Post-Olympics
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- Key Takeaway: Body image issues arose for Vonn when she encountered sample sizing on red carpets after winning the Olympics, but focusing on performance quickly resolved this insecurity.
- Summary: Vonn experienced body image issues when sample clothing did not fit her athletic build, making her feel outside the norm at events. This insecurity subsided when she refocused on winning the World Cup title, realizing her body’s purpose was performance, not conforming to fashion standards.
Vonn’s Legacy and Foundation Work
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- Key Takeaway: Vonn’s true legendary status stems from her resilience—continuously returning to win after injury—which is the core message she wants to convey.
- Summary: The Lindsey Vonn Foundation provides scholarships and empowerment programs, including weekend camps focused on teaching grit, confidence, and navigating negativity like cyberbullying. Vonn’s core advice for young people with self-doubt is that you must believe in yourself and work hard, as nothing appears magically.