All Songs Considered

The Contenders, Vol. 20: The Beths, Dustin O’Halloran, Nicholas Payton, more

September 16, 2025

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  • The podcast "All Songs Considered" features a "contenders" episode where hosts Robin Hilton and Kiana Faircloth discuss and play songs that could make their year-end "best of" list, highlighting themes of nostalgia, mental health, and the search for joy. 
  • The episode showcases a diverse range of music, from the indie rock of The Beths and the jazz fusion of Nate Smith, to the ambient compositions of Dustin O'Halloran and a cover of "Pure Imagination" by Dara Starr Tucker, demonstrating a broad appreciation for different genres. 
  • A recurring theme throughout the selections is a desire for authenticity and a return to simpler, more human experiences, contrasting with the increasing artificiality of the modern world, as exemplified by Nate Smith's analog recording approach and Dustin O'Halloran's work exploring AI. 

Segments

The Beths’ “No Joy”
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(00:02:03)
  • Key Takeaway: The Beths’ song “No Joy” explores the complex experience of depression and the difficulty of finding joy even after treatment, highlighting the paradox of a playful video accompanying a somber theme.
  • Summary: Robin introduces The Beths and their album “Straight Line Was a Lie,” focusing on the song “No Joy.” Kiana discusses the song’s lyrical themes of depression and the disconnect with the video’s playful visuals, noting the artist’s reflection on how medication flattened her emotional experience and the realization that progress isn’t linear.
Nate Smith’s “Big Fish”
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(00:08:08)
  • Key Takeaway: Nate Smith’s “Big Fish” featuring Sage evokes a nostalgic, dreamlike quality reminiscent of recording to cassette, blending laid-back vibes with an arresting dance beat that feels both chill and dynamic.
  • Summary: Robin introduces Nate Smith’s “Big Fish” featuring Sage, noting its fusion of jazz and alternative sounds. Kiana praises Sage’s vocal blend and describes the song’s progression from a dream sequence to a dance beat. They discuss Nate Smith’s mastery of creating music that is both relaxed and energetic, and his innate sense of rhythm.
Dustin O’Halloran’s “Gold”
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  • Key Takeaway: Dustin O’Halloran’s “Gold” is an improvised, single-take piece that embodies a human and real response to the age of AI, offering a calming yet haunting experience that centers the listener.
  • Summary: Robin introduces Dustin O’Halloran, a favorite pianist and composer, highlighting his film scores and recent singles. He plays “Gold,” describing it as gorgeous and calming. Kiana draws parallels to Nate Smith’s analog approach, noting O’Halloran’s goal of creating something uniquely human in response to AI, with “Gold” being an improvised, single-take track.
Dara Starr Tucker’s “Pure Imagination”
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(00:23:47)
  • Key Takeaway: Dara Starr Tucker’s rendition of “Pure Imagination” offers a bright, adult take on the classic song, infusing it with soulful intimacy while still evoking the childhood wonder of the original film.
  • Summary: Robin introduces Dara Starr Tucker and her cover of “Pure Imagination.” He expresses his love for the song’s melody and lyrics, comparing it to Gene Wilder’s version. Kiana discusses Tucker’s background as a viral TikTok personality and songwriter, and how her version brings an adult, soulful touch to the familiar song, connecting to the theme of nostalgia.