How I Built This with Guy Raz

Advice Line with Michael Dubin of Dollar Shave Club

October 9, 2025

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  • Cutting through the noise in today's digital ecosystem is possible with truly original and authentic content, but the viral wave of attention is likely to be shorter than in previous years. 
  • To motivate employees to care about customer experience as much as the founder, consider implementing an equity pool or focusing heavily on investing in their professional development and skills. 
  • When launching a novel product like specialty Syrian cheese, success hinges on making usage easy for consumers through clear guidance (like recipe cards or sampling) and creating a memorable, character-driven marketing concept. 

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Michael Dubin Update & Screenwriting
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  • Key Takeaway: Michael Dubin has pivoted to screenwriting, drawing on his personal and professional experiences, while continuing advisory work and exploring new company ideas.
  • Summary: Michael Dubin shared that he recently finished writing a screenplay, a long-time ambition that taps into his creative side. He is also actively engaged in board work, advisory roles for companies like Liquid Death, and is considering new company ventures. Dubin expressed readiness to jump back into building something new when the right opportunity arises.
Viral Marketing in Modern Era
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  • Key Takeaway: Viral marketing success today requires sustained effort because the lifespan of content trends is much shorter than when Dollar Shave Club launched its famous video.
  • Summary: The current internet ecosystem, saturated with content from countless nodes, means that while originality can still break through the noise, the resulting viral wave will not last as long as it did in 2012. Success now demands breaking through the noise and then immediately sustaining momentum with other efforts. Authenticity and striking an emotional or humorous chord remain key to initial breakthrough.
Disrupting Saturated Markets
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  • Key Takeaway: Disrupting a market dominated by a giant like Gillette is possible through a combination of a great product, unique distribution, and captivating communication.
  • Summary: The formula for disrupting a dominant industry player involves combining a great product, unique distribution (like early D2C models), and a unique, captivating voice in communication. While entering a saturated market might seem crazy, the next great consumer giant disruptor company is yet to be launched.
Marketing Syrian Cheese Launch
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  • Key Takeaway: For introducing a new specialty food like Syrian cheese, focus on lowering the consumer barrier to trial by providing easy pairing suggestions and utilizing visual, character-driven grassroots marketing.
  • Summary: Benita Casbo’s Syrian cheese, positioned between feta and halloumi in texture, requires coaching consumers on usage; simple pairing ideas via QR codes on packaging can help. Michael Dubin suggested leaning into fun, visual, grassroots marketing, perhaps using characters like an ‘angry French ambassador’ to playfully suggest that the secret of Syrian cheese is out. Extensive sampling is critical to drive initial trial and adoption.
Employee Emotional Investment
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  • Key Takeaway: To foster emotional investment in employees who lack direct ‘skin in the game,’ founders should implement equity pools or clearly define and invest in the specific skills employees will gain from their tenure.
  • Summary: Brandon Davis needs to ensure his mobile mini golf employees deliver the same high-level client experience he and his wife provide. Michael Dubin suggested offering equity to create a sense of ownership, or alternatively, focusing on employee development by outlining specific skills (A, B, and C) they will acquire before moving on. Hiring for attitude over specialized skill is crucial for roles centered on hospitality and creating joyful moments.
Scaling Custom Uniform Production
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  • Key Takeaway: A founder whose time is consumed by the core production skill (sewing) must transition to focusing on IP and design by raising capital to fund manufacturing partnerships and scale operations.
  • Summary: Bria Fleming, founder of Incidental Wildland, is constrained because her income relies solely on her sewing, preventing her from focusing on scaling design and marketing. Michael Dubin advised that she needs to raise capital to fund inventory purchases and secure manufacturing partners, allowing her to step away from direct production. Expanding the vision beyond initial firefighting uniforms to adjacent high-margin categories like accessories or other workwear will strengthen the pitch to investors.
Advice for Early-Stage Self
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  • Key Takeaway: The most valuable advice for an early-stage founder is personal: prioritize presence in life outside the business and learn to trust others with tasks outside one’s core competency to achieve scale.
  • Summary: Michael Dubin reflected that his primary advice to his younger self would be personal, urging him to be more present in life outside of the consuming business to reduce sleepless nights. Professionally, he stressed the importance of learning to trust others, especially in areas like finance and operations, even when those roles overlap with the founder’s experience, as this delegation is necessary for scaling.