Bonus Sample Natural Snake Oil
July 28, 2025
Key Takeaways
- The “Maha Wins” initiative, promoted by RFK Jr. and his allies, focuses on superficial changes like removing artificial dyes and high-fructose corn syrup from food products, which critics argue do not address the root causes of chronic disease or food insecurity.
- Key figures associated with the “Maha” movement, such as Vanny Hari, Will Cole, and Callie Means, are accused of monetizing largely untested and unregulated products as alternatives to healthcare, while deflecting criticism by framing opposition as a rejection of healthier Americans.
- The podcast argues that the “Maha” movement’s emphasis on inconsequential ingredient changes and performative actions, like removing certain items from SNAP benefits, distracts from critical issues such as supply chains, infrastructure, and food deserts, and serves as a cover for funding cuts and expert dismissals within the HHS.
Segments
Critique of ‘Maha’ Claims (00:01:07)
- Key Takeaway: The claimed ‘Maha’ victories, like Coca-Cola offering a cane sugar option, are often misrepresented or exaggerated, with the core products remaining unchanged or the changes being minor.
- Summary: The discussion scrutinizes the validity of ‘Maha Wins,’ pointing out that Coke is adding a cane sugar option rather than removing high-fructose corn syrup from its main product, and that Vanny Hari’s enthusiastic promotion of these changes is misleading.
Performative Activism and Real Issues (00:02:08)
- Key Takeaway: The ‘Maha’ movement’s focus on superficial ingredient changes and removing items from SNAP benefits distracts from systemic issues like supply chains, infrastructure, and food deserts, which are crucial for public health.
- Summary: This segment criticizes Callie Means’ claims of significant food system reforms and the removal of soda and candy from SNAP benefits, arguing that these actions are performative and do not address the fundamental problems of food access and health.
Monetizing Alternatives and Petroleum Obsession (00:04:02)
- Key Takeaway: Proponents of the ‘Maha’ movement monetize untested alternatives while fixating on ingredients like petroleum, often using it themselves in ways that mirror its use in food dyes, without acknowledging the hypocrisy.
- Summary: The podcast highlights how figures like Hari, Cole, and Means profit from promoting alternative products, while simultaneously obsessing over ingredients like petroleum, which they criticize in food dyes but seemingly use in their own ventures, demonstrating a lack of self-reflection.
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Prompts Used
Prompt 1: Context Setup
You are an expert data extractor tasked with analyzing a podcast transcript.
I will provide you with part 1 of 1 from a podcast transcript.
I will then ask you to extract different types of information from this content in subsequent messages. Please confirm you have received and understood the transcript content.
Transcript section:
[00:00:03.280 --> 00:00:08.960] Two weeks ago, the White House posted an image with the headline, Maha Wins.
[00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:29.520] The list of 15 supposed victories by RFK Jr.'s HHS included Steak and Shake replacing seed oils with 100% beef tallow, Skittles removing titanium dioxide from their marquee product, and Nestle removing all petroleum-based food dyes.
[00:00:29.520 --> 00:00:40.160] The rest predominantly features corporate handshakes about removing synthetic dyes and artificial colors from candy, you know, health food.
[00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:44.320] Maha activists have been thrilled by this.
[00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.000] Kennedy retweeted it.
[00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:56.800] A few days later, he tweeted out that Maha is winning because Steak and Shake is offering Coca-Cola with real cane sugar, aka Mexican Coke.
[00:00:56.800 --> 00:01:06.880] Vanny Hari, the food babe, concurred, going on NewsNation to say that removing high-fructose corn syrup from Coke is a bigger deal than you think.
[00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:16.560] One problem though, Coke isn't removing it from their main product, but they are adding a new cane sugar option later in the fall.
[00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:21.360] Hari has been faithfully championing all of these Maha wins.
[00:01:21.360 --> 00:01:29.600] She's sharing sentiments like, fruit loops are getting a natural makeover and breaking red siren emoji.
[00:01:29.600 --> 00:01:35.360] Cereal Titan Kellogg's has finally agreed to go artificial dye-free.
[00:01:35.360 --> 00:01:40.880] Fruit and vegetable extract colors are greater than neurotoxins.
[00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:52.320] And to use the fucking and greater than sign, that was Will Cole, who likely doesn't realize the level of dyes in food do not reach a level of neurotoxicity.
[00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:57.440] But then again, chemistry is not part of chiropractic school.
[00:01:57.440 --> 00:02:08.600] Meanwhile, Kennedy's advisor, Callie Means, tweeted out that Kyle Diamantis is crushing it at the FDA because of another big Maha win.
[00:02:08.920 --> 00:02:10.200] What win?
[00:02:10.200 --> 00:02:14.040] Ice cream will have more natural colorings.
[00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:24.040] A few days later, Means tweeted out that the past six months have been the most significant reforms of our food system in modern history.
[00:02:24.040 --> 00:02:27.080] He goes on to write that beef is vilified.
[00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.520] It's pretty interesting because beef prices are going up.
[00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:31.240] That's a problem.
[00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.320] I don't know about the vilification of it.
[00:02:33.320 --> 00:02:41.720] He also wrote that taking soda and candy off SNAP benefits is one of the greatest public health accomplishments of our time.
[00:02:42.040 --> 00:02:50.200] Color me unsurprised that a former Heritage Foundation intern giggles when more stuff is taken away from the pores.
[00:02:50.200 --> 00:03:05.640] The broader point here is that none of these foods are healthy, and removing inconsequential dyes will shift the goalposts zero feet when it comes to combating chronic disease, which is Maha's explicit goal.
[00:03:05.640 --> 00:03:27.640] Removing soda and candy from SNAP isn't going to make recipients more healthy, no matter how many times Callie writes that the move is shifting tens of billions of dollars towards healthier food, because none of these fucking Maha activists ever discuss what would actually help such a thing happen, which is supply chains, infrastructure, and food deserts.
[00:03:27.640 --> 00:03:39.160] It's all fucking performative nonsense, though it makes for a great cover from all the funding being cut and all of the experts being fired from HHS.
[00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:48.400] At every turn, every time Maha is criticized, the accolades ignore the content of the criticism and reply with things like, What?
[00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.640] You don't want healthier Americans?
[00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.960] Complete deflection.
[00:03:52.960 --> 00:04:02.880] I imagine most people want to live in a healthier country, but this myopic focus on inconsequential ingredients is not going to make that happen.
[00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:16.320] And the mostly untested, barely regulated products that people like Hari, Cole, and Means monetize as alternatives to healthcare does more than clue us into what their goal really is.
[00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:22.320] Today, I want to focus on one aspect of this sleight of hand, and it involves petroleum.
[00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:28.800] This completely natural, organic ingredient is one of the main demons they obsess over.
[00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:44.160] And yet, without a bit of self-reflection, many of Maha's main champions use it in the exact same manners as it's used in the creation of food dyes, and none of them have the humility to ever own up to it.
[00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.960] I'm Derek Barris, and you're listening to a conspiratuality bonus episode.
[00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:51.200] Natural snake oil?
[00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:52.720] Let's get into it.
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Prompt 2: Key Takeaways
Now please extract the key takeaways from the transcript content I provided.
Extract the most important key takeaways from this part of the conversation. Use a single sentence statement (the key takeaway) rather than milquetoast descriptions like "the hosts discuss...".
Limit the key takeaways to a maximum of 3. The key takeaways should be insightful and knowledge-additive.
IMPORTANT: Return ONLY valid JSON, no explanations or markdown. Ensure:
- All strings are properly quoted and escaped
- No trailing commas
- All braces and brackets are balanced
Format: {"key_takeaways": ["takeaway 1", "takeaway 2"]}
Prompt 3: Segments
Now identify 2-4 distinct topical segments from this part of the conversation.
For each segment, identify:
- Descriptive title (3-6 words)
- START timestamp when this topic begins (HH:MM:SS format)
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Most important Key takeaway from that segment. Key takeaway must be specific and knowledge-additive.
- Brief summary of the discussion
IMPORTANT: The timestamp should mark when the topic/segment STARTS, not a range. Look for topic transitions and conversation shifts.
Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted, no trailing commas:
{
"segments": [
{
"segment_title": "Topic Discussion",
"timestamp": "01:15:30",
"key_takeaway": "main point from this segment",
"segment_summary": "brief description of what was discussed"
}
]
}
Timestamp format: HH:MM:SS (e.g., 00:05:30, 01:22:45) marking the START of each segment.
Prompt 4: Media Mentions
Now scan the transcript content I provided for ACTUAL mentions of specific media titles:
Find explicit mentions of:
- Books (with specific titles)
- Movies (with specific titles)
- TV Shows (with specific titles)
- Music/Songs (with specific titles)
DO NOT include:
- Websites, URLs, or web services
- Other podcasts or podcast names
IMPORTANT:
- Only include items explicitly mentioned by name. Do not invent titles.
- Valid categories are: "Book", "Movie", "TV Show", "Music"
- Include the exact phrase where each item was mentioned
- Find the nearest proximate timestamp where it appears in the conversation
- THE TIMESTAMP OF THE MEDIA MENTION IS IMPORTANT - DO NOT INVENT TIMESTAMPS AND DO NOT MISATTRIBUTE TIMESTAMPS
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Timestamps are given as ranges, e.g. 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:46.720. Use the EARLIER of the 2 timestamps in the range.
Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted and escaped, no trailing commas:
{
"media_mentions": [
{
"title": "Exact Title as Mentioned",
"category": "Book",
"author_artist": "N/A",
"context": "Brief context of why it was mentioned",
"context_phrase": "The exact sentence or phrase where it was mentioned",
"timestamp": "estimated time like 01:15:30"
}
]
}
If no media is mentioned, return: {"media_mentions": []}
Full Transcript
[00:00:03.280 --> 00:00:08.960] Two weeks ago, the White House posted an image with the headline, Maha Wins.
[00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:29.520] The list of 15 supposed victories by RFK Jr.'s HHS included Steak and Shake replacing seed oils with 100% beef tallow, Skittles removing titanium dioxide from their marquee product, and Nestle removing all petroleum-based food dyes.
[00:00:29.520 --> 00:00:40.160] The rest predominantly features corporate handshakes about removing synthetic dyes and artificial colors from candy, you know, health food.
[00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:44.320] Maha activists have been thrilled by this.
[00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.000] Kennedy retweeted it.
[00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:56.800] A few days later, he tweeted out that Maha is winning because Steak and Shake is offering Coca-Cola with real cane sugar, aka Mexican Coke.
[00:00:56.800 --> 00:01:06.880] Vanny Hari, the food babe, concurred, going on NewsNation to say that removing high-fructose corn syrup from Coke is a bigger deal than you think.
[00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:16.560] One problem though, Coke isn't removing it from their main product, but they are adding a new cane sugar option later in the fall.
[00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:21.360] Hari has been faithfully championing all of these Maha wins.
[00:01:21.360 --> 00:01:29.600] She's sharing sentiments like, fruit loops are getting a natural makeover and breaking red siren emoji.
[00:01:29.600 --> 00:01:35.360] Cereal Titan Kellogg's has finally agreed to go artificial dye-free.
[00:01:35.360 --> 00:01:40.880] Fruit and vegetable extract colors are greater than neurotoxins.
[00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:52.320] And to use the fucking and greater than sign, that was Will Cole, who likely doesn't realize the level of dyes in food do not reach a level of neurotoxicity.
[00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:57.440] But then again, chemistry is not part of chiropractic school.
[00:01:57.440 --> 00:02:08.600] Meanwhile, Kennedy's advisor, Callie Means, tweeted out that Kyle Diamantis is crushing it at the FDA because of another big Maha win.
[00:02:08.920 --> 00:02:10.200] What win?
[00:02:10.200 --> 00:02:14.040] Ice cream will have more natural colorings.
[00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:24.040] A few days later, Means tweeted out that the past six months have been the most significant reforms of our food system in modern history.
[00:02:24.040 --> 00:02:27.080] He goes on to write that beef is vilified.
[00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.520] It's pretty interesting because beef prices are going up.
[00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:31.240] That's a problem.
[00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.320] I don't know about the vilification of it.
[00:02:33.320 --> 00:02:41.720] He also wrote that taking soda and candy off SNAP benefits is one of the greatest public health accomplishments of our time.
[00:02:42.040 --> 00:02:50.200] Color me unsurprised that a former Heritage Foundation intern giggles when more stuff is taken away from the pores.
[00:02:50.200 --> 00:03:05.640] The broader point here is that none of these foods are healthy, and removing inconsequential dyes will shift the goalposts zero feet when it comes to combating chronic disease, which is Maha's explicit goal.
[00:03:05.640 --> 00:03:27.640] Removing soda and candy from SNAP isn't going to make recipients more healthy, no matter how many times Callie writes that the move is shifting tens of billions of dollars towards healthier food, because none of these fucking Maha activists ever discuss what would actually help such a thing happen, which is supply chains, infrastructure, and food deserts.
[00:03:27.640 --> 00:03:39.160] It's all fucking performative nonsense, though it makes for a great cover from all the funding being cut and all of the experts being fired from HHS.
[00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:48.400] At every turn, every time Maha is criticized, the accolades ignore the content of the criticism and reply with things like, What?
[00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.640] You don't want healthier Americans?
[00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.960] Complete deflection.
[00:03:52.960 --> 00:04:02.880] I imagine most people want to live in a healthier country, but this myopic focus on inconsequential ingredients is not going to make that happen.
[00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:16.320] And the mostly untested, barely regulated products that people like Hari, Cole, and Means monetize as alternatives to healthcare does more than clue us into what their goal really is.
[00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:22.320] Today, I want to focus on one aspect of this sleight of hand, and it involves petroleum.
[00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:28.800] This completely natural, organic ingredient is one of the main demons they obsess over.
[00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:44.160] And yet, without a bit of self-reflection, many of Maha's main champions use it in the exact same manners as it's used in the creation of food dyes, and none of them have the humility to ever own up to it.
[00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.960] I'm Derek Barris, and you're listening to a conspiratuality bonus episode.
[00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:51.200] Natural snake oil?
[00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:52.720] Let's get into it.
[00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:57.600] You've been listening to a conspiratuality bonus episode sample.
[00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:14.480] To continue listening, please head over to patreon.com/slash conspirituality, where you can access all of our main feed episodes ad-free, as well as four years of bonus content that we've been producing.
[00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:19.680] You can also subscribe to our bonus episodes via Apple subscriptions.
[00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:25.120] As independent media creators, we really appreciate your support.