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- Mark Flanagan, the guest on this episode of the WTF with Marc Maron Podcast, fled Northern Ireland with his family during The Troubles after his father was kidnapped and an uncle was killed.
- Flanagan's journey to owning Largo at the Coronet was driven by an obsession with music, leading him to establish a venue integral to the LA alternative comedy and singer-songwriter scenes.
- Marc Maron revealed he was unaware of Flanagan's first name until this conversation, highlighting the guest's reputation being solely tied to 'Flanagan' within the industry.
- Largo, under Mark Flanagan's ownership, functions as a unique, curated space where established and emerging comedians and musicians can take creative risks for an appreciative, industry-savvy audience.
- Flanagan prioritizes personal connection and artistic integrity in booking, famously firing an early booker for not paying comedians and later deciding to only book people he genuinely likes.
- The conversation highlights several legendary figures in comedy and music who have been closely associated with Largo, including Sarah Silverman, Zach Galifianakis, David Cross, Bob Odenkirk, and Leonard Cohen, often sharing anecdotes about their early careers or personal interactions.
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Maron’s Health Update
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- Key Takeaway: Marc Maron is feeling unwell due to converging life stresses, including recent doctor visits, but confirms he does not have COVID-19.
- Summary: Maron attributes his current feeling of being under the weather to accumulated stress from daily life, cat chaos, new material development, and a recent doctor’s visit. He explicitly states he tested negative for COVID-19. The shift in LA weather from summer to fall, marked by a slight temperature drop, is noted as a potential minor factor.
Introducing Mark Flanagan
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- Key Takeaway: Mark Flanagan is the owner and programmer of Largo at the Coronet, serving as a central figure in the LA comedy and music scenes.
- Summary: Flanagan is described as the ‘hub’ or ‘center of the wheel’ for a specific segment of the entertainment world, possessing many stories and an Irish background. Largo was a mainstay at the beginning of alternative comedy and singer-songwriter music, which initially intimidated Maron. Maron directs listeners to wtfpod.com/tour for his upcoming shows at Dynasty Typewriter.
Maron’s Health Follow-up
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- Key Takeaway: Maron’s recent doctor visit revealed that two and a half years of a plant-based diet did not significantly lower his LDL cholesterol, leading to contemplation about medication.
- Summary: Maron expressed frustration that his diet failed to resolve his cholesterol issue, noting a general human resistance to taking medicine due to a desire to feel physically uncompromised. He is currently against returning to meat consumption despite the cholesterol results, citing a sensitivity to the realities of consuming mistreated animals.
Largo’s Alt Comedy History
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- Key Takeaway: Largo was a crucial venue for the early alternative comedy scene, featuring comedians like Dana Gould, Maria Bamford, and Paul F. Tompkins.
- Summary: Maron recalls visiting Largo early on as an intimidating but vital hub for alternative comedy and music, contrasting it with the New York alt scene at Luna. He admits to still feeling slightly awkward around ‘alt audiences,’ despite his own evolution beyond being strictly a ‘dirty club guy.’ He mentions a recent joke about Riyadh that caused significant public reaction.
Flanagan’s First Name Reveal
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- Key Takeaway: Maron admits he did not know Flanagan’s first name until this interview, which is also Mark.
- Summary: The conversation transitions into the interview proper with gift-giving, including a Rolling Stones item and a book about career endings. Flanagan confirms his first name is Mark, which surprises Maron, who notes that many people only know him as Flanagan.
Growing Up in Belfast
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- Key Takeaway: Flanagan’s family fled Belfast during The Troubles after his father was kidnapped and held in a car trunk for two days.
- Summary: Flanagan describes growing up in Belfast amidst constant bombings, noting that in 1972 alone, 2,600 bombs detonated in the city. The family left after his father, who worked for the health department, was abducted, and his mother’s uncle died trying to defuse a device at his family’s bar. They initially relocated to Sligo, where they encountered lingering anti-British sentiment.
Education and Move to America
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- Key Takeaway: Flanagan studied medicine and psychology in Dublin before moving to the US, driven by an obsession with American music, particularly jazz.
- Summary: After five years studying in Dublin, Flanagan received a scholarship to Boston but ultimately moved to Los Angeles in 1992 because he felt American music was where things were happening. He cites hearing jazz artists like Coltrane and Pharaoh Sanders on Irish radio as the catalyst for his move to America.
Acquiring Largo
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- Key Takeaway: Flanagan took over the original Cafe Largo in 1996 after the initial owner ran it into debt, following a three-year period where Flanagan was legally tied to the failing business.
- Summary: Flanagan initially helped book music at the venue, which was then called Cafe Largo, and invested money to help change the license, running it successfully for a year before the owner tried to convert it into a sports bar. A judge awarded Flanagan control of the venue in 1996 to settle the debt, allowing him to secure backers and reopen it successfully as Largo.
Largo’s Musical Legacy
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- Key Takeaway: In its early days under Flanagan, Largo became a prestigious venue for singer-songwriters like Elliott Smith and John Bryan, attracting major artists like David Bowie to witness performances.
- Summary: John Bryan served as the anchor performer on Friday nights, drawing famous musicians like Ian Hunter and David Bowie to the small venue. Flanagan notes that the audience’s engagement and the venue’s reputation for not recording sets allowed artists to take creative risks, similar to jazz improvisation.
Largo’s Unique Comedy Ecosystem
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- Key Takeaway: Largo’s environment allows comedians to take chances because performances are not recorded for public platforms like YouTube.
- Summary: Performers at Largo, from established names like Sandler to newcomers, trust the venue’s discretion regarding recording. This trust enables them to experiment with material knowing it won’t end up on YouTube. This freedom fosters a unique, risk-taking comedy scene separate from mainstream club acts.
Founding Monday Nights at Largo
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- Key Takeaway: Mark Flanagan initiated Largo’s influential comedy nights after witnessing atrocious sets followed by strong talent like Jon Stewart and Laura Keitlinger at Pedro’s Bar and Grill.
- Summary: Flanagan was inspired to start Monday comedy nights at Largo after seeing a mix of talent at Pedro’s Bar and Grill, including Jon Stewart and Karen Kilgariff. He began by booking David Cross and Bob Odenkirk to host, systematically recruiting comedians like Sarah Silverman and Patton Oswalt for their own nights. He fired the initial booker after discovering comedians were not being paid from the door receipts.
Largo Audience and Artistic Elitism
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- Key Takeaway: Flanagan initially viewed Largo as a space for ‘weird shit’ distinct from his perceived identity as a mainstream club act, though he acknowledges the audience has broadened its mind over time.
- Summary: Despite his New York roots, Flanagan saw himself as a mainstream performer, viewing the alternative comedy scene as ‘precious’ and requiring ‘weird shit.’ He notes that the Largo audience consists of entertainment professionals who pay a premium to see the best. He also admits that his background in Irish literature fostered an insecurity that sometimes manifested as elitism regarding music genres like singer-songwriters.
Leonard Cohen’s Awning Critique
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- Key Takeaway: Leonard Cohen famously advised Mark Flanagan against using a bright green awning for Largo, asking, ‘Are you going for Kitsch?’
- Summary: Flanagan recounts a story where his original partner insisted on a garish, light green awning for Largo, which was misspelled. Leonard Cohen, passing by, advised against the color choice by asking if they were aiming for kitsch, and then stated, ‘I would strongly decline.’ This anecdote illustrates the high-caliber artistic figures associated with the venue.
Largo’s Core Philosophy and Protection
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- Key Takeaway: Since turning 40, Flanagan’s executive decision for Largo has been to only book people he likes personally, ensuring a supportive backstage environment free from unnecessary business intrusions.
- Summary: Flanagan is highly protective of performers backstage, minimizing distractions from business people before their sets, recognizing the mental effort required to perform. He cites Sarah Silverman’s intense preparation routine as an example of the focus required. He also recounts physically removing an intrusive person from Pete Holmes’ dressing room to maintain this protective atmosphere.
The Infamous Valentine’s Night Attack
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- Key Takeaway: Marc Maron was physically tackled on stage during a Valentine’s night show after continuing a joke about suicide despite a grieving audience member’s request to stop.
- Summary: The incident occurred on a Valentine’s night show hosted by Paul F. Tompkins, where Maron was performing material about suicide. A man whose mother had recently died of cancer asked him to stop, but Maron made a quip, leading the man to lunge and tackle him. The attacker ripped Maron’s shirt, and the incident became mythologized, though the attacker later apologized after speaking with Maron.
Largo’s Legacy and Future
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- Key Takeaway: Flanagan views Largo as his family and community, stating he could recreate its essence anywhere, and he is now embracing the freedom afforded by ending the podcast to pursue other projects.
- Summary: Flanagan confirmed that he could cease Largo operations if necessary, but he hopes to leave an infrastructure for the community to continue. He mentioned past ideas, supported by figures like Gary Shandling, to create a larger performance center. He views ending the podcast as a necessary ’launching pad’ to free him up for other endeavors, such as a potential movie project.