The Joe Rogan Experience

#2454 - Robert Malone, MD

February 13, 2026

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  • Dr. Robert Malone attributes his decision to take the COVID-19 vaccine to assurances from a colleague at the University of British Columbia that distribution and safety issues related to mRNA technology had been solved, specifically regarding localization of the injection site. 
  • The conversation details Dr. Malone's early research struggles with mRNA delivery, noting that his work consistently resulted in high inflammation in animal models, leading him to abandon the RNA approach in favor of DNA or non-lipid-based delivery methods at the time. 
  • The discussion heavily focuses on the weaponization of modern psychology and digital tools (fifth generation warfare/psychological warfare), evidenced by coordinated media and corporate pressure against dissenting voices like Dr. Malone and Joe Rogan following their initial discussion on 'mass formation psychosis'. 
  • The current global political and health landscape is characterized by a restructuring of global politics and a 
  • movement facing significant propaganda, driven by underlying motives of money and control. 
  • Rapidly advancing biotechnology, including artificial wombs and CRISPR gene editing, presents profound, accelerating, and largely unregulated ethical threats that current regulatory structures cannot manage, exemplified by the African Swine Fever lab leak in Spain. 
  • Speculation exists that certain unexplained phenomena might be driven by the development of technology capable of producing extremely large amounts of energy in small packages, which could be weaponized. 
  • The conversation touches upon the confusion surrounding viral videos and reports about advanced technology, such as a supposed 'pregnancy robot,' noting that many circulating items are revealed to be fake or AI-generated. 
  • Dr. Robert Malone expressed gratitude for the opportunity to share the frontline experiences of physicians and scientists he collaborated with during a previous, more hostile period of public discourse. 

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Return to Show After Hiatus
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Malone’s previous appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience caused significant problems for him, leading him to believe he might not be invited back.
  • Summary: The conversation opens by noting the significant time elapsed since Dr. Malone’s last appearance, acknowledging that his prior appearance generated considerable controversy and problems for him. Dr. Malone expresses surprise at being invited back, assuming Spotify might have prevented it. Joe Rogan frames the current appearance as a ‘victory dance’ because the warnings Dr. Malone issued previously turned out to be true.
Dr. Malone’s mRNA Credentials
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Malone possesses approximately fifteen patents, including nine specifically related to mRNA vaccine technology, establishing his credibility despite attempts to label him a ‘quack’.
  • Summary: Despite attempts to discredit him, Dr. Malone’s extensive background is highlighted, specifically mentioning his nine patents on mRNA vaccine technology out of a total of about fifteen. Dr. Malone confirms he experienced a series of horrible adverse events after taking the Moderna vaccine in 2021.
Early mRNA Delivery Problems
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  • Key Takeaway: The primary technical problem Dr. Malone encountered with early mRNA formulations was severe, non-localizable inflammation in animal models, which made it an unacceptable delivery strategy.
  • Summary: The initial problems with mRNA delivery involved inflammation, specifically aggressive white cell infiltrates in mice and monkeys, and a lack of prolonged expression. Dr. Malone’s early work, dating back to the late 1980s, found that RNA or DNA alone was sometimes more effective than using positively charged fats (lipid nanoplexes) for delivery.
Vaccine Distribution Assurances
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Malone took the vaccine after a colleague from UBC, Peter Cullis, assured him that formulation advances, involving cleavable polyethylene glycol (PEG) molecules, had solved the distribution problem and ensured the material stayed localized.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone consulted with Peter Cullis at UBC, who claimed the distribution issues were solved, asserting the vaccine would stay local and only go to draining lymph nodes. Cullis explained that incorporating PEG molecules that would fall off in the body allowed for this localized effect, which convinced Dr. Malone to get vaccinated for necessary international travel.
Long COVID and Vaccine Rationale
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  • Key Takeaway: A key motivation for Dr. Malone taking the vaccine was the prevailing narrative that it would boost the immune response and clear his symptoms of chronic malaise and loss of stamina resulting from his early 2020 COVID-19 infection (Long COVID).
  • Summary: Dr. Malone experienced Long COVID symptoms, including loss of stamina and pulmonary function, after contracting the virus in late February 2020 in Boston. The narrative promoted at the time suggested the vaccine would resolve these chronic symptoms, a claim that subsequent data suggests is actually the opposite of what occurred.
Early COVID Treatment Research
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  • Key Takeaway: After contracting COVID-19, Dr. Malone used computational docking to screen large virtual libraries of repurposed drugs, leading him to self-administer famotidine, which provided an immediate positive response.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone initiated a computational approach to rapidly identify repurposed drugs to address the emerging crisis, modeling the SARS-CoV-2 protein based on the published sequence. He experimented on himself, finding immediate relief from famotidine at higher doses, which has since been verified as helpful.
Ivermectin Trial Suppression
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  • Key Takeaway: A major clinical trial combining famotidine, celecoxib, and ivermectin, funded by the Department of Defense (DOD), was ultimately blocked by the FDA, which demanded unnecessary cell culture tests for the off-patent ivermectin component.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone collaborated with the DOD to secure over $100 million for adaptive clinical trials using a combination of repurposed drugs, including ivermectin. The FDA repeatedly rejected the application to proceed, demanding antiviral activity proof for ivermectin, leading the DOD to drop ivermectin and proceed only with famotidine and celecoxib.
Mass Formation Psychosis Explained
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  • Key Takeaway: Mass formation psychosis describes a phenomenon where socially isolated individuals become highly vulnerable to manipulation by a leader offering a solution to their psychological pain, leading to attachment and adherence to that leader’s edicts.
  • Summary: The term, derived from the work of Matthias Desmet, describes a process where people disassociated from society become susceptible to manipulation. This vulnerability allows a leader to offer a solution to their psychological pain, causing people to attach to the leader rather than building horizontal social networks. This dynamic enables totalitarianism and makes populations easily manipulated through propaganda.
Weaponization of Psychology and Nudge Tech
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  • Key Takeaway: Modern psychology and digital tools have been weaponized in what is termed fifth generation warfare, a capability largely developed by the U.S. and U.K. intelligence communities to control information and perception.
  • Summary: This modern warfare differs from ancient propaganda due to the inclusion of digital technology, modern psychology, and nudge technology for controlling thought and emotion. This technology was initially developed to counter insurgencies but was deployed against U.S. citizens following a 2015 Presidential Directive from Barack Obama, which remains in place.
Corporate Influence on Censorship
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  • Key Takeaway: The blowback against Joe Rogan following the first interview was allegedly triggered by Coca-Cola complaining to the Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM), which then threatened Spotify’s advertising revenue.
  • Summary: A documented chain of events shows Coca-Cola, which funds the CDC Foundation, complained to GARM (a WEF-created body controlling advertising) after the initial interview. GARM then pressured Spotify regarding advertising, leading to the imposition of a banner directing users to the CDC for COVID information, which is identified as CDC-pushed nudge technology.
Ivermectin Demonization Motive
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  • Key Takeaway: The intense demonization of ivermectin, while other treatments like monoclonal antibodies were also suppressed, is attributed to the drug being off-patent, representing a significant threat to the profit potential of the fast-tracked vaccines.
  • Summary: Ivermectin, an off-patent Nobel Prize-winning drug, was uniquely targeted despite other treatments being mentioned by Joe Rogan. The best explanation offered is that the existence of an effective countermeasure would invalidate the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) clauses used to fast-track the vaccines, protecting massive profit interests.
Wealth Transfer and Public Justification
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  • Key Takeaway: The COVID-19 era facilitated the greatest upward transfer of wealth in modern history, hollowing out the middle class through lockdowns and stimulus fraud, while many vaccinated individuals continue to justify their decision by repeating the ‘safe and effective’ narrative.
  • Summary: The economic consequences of the pandemic involved massive wealth transfer, disproportionately harming small businesses and the middle class. Many people cling to the ‘safe and effective’ narrative to justify their vaccine decisions, a narrative promoted even when the Nobel Prize committee explicitly stated their award aimed to encourage further vaccine acceptance.
Political and Health Movements
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  • Key Takeaway: The current state of affairs is characterized as ‘war by other means’ alongside a ‘Make America Healthy Again’ movement facing heavy propaganda.
  • Summary: The speaker suggests the current trajectory is toward ‘war by other means’ rather than civil war. A ‘Make America Healthy Again’ movement is encountering significant propaganda deployment. Political restructuring is noted in America’s global reach.
Money, Power, and Gates
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  • Key Takeaway: The root of current issues, including the suppression of alternative COVID-19 medications like ivermectin, is identified as the intertwined pursuit of money and power.
  • Summary: Money is cited as the root of evil, specifically relating to the COVID-19 situation involving ivermectin and off-label medications. Wealthy figures like Larry Fink and Bill Gates accumulate wealth as a marker or ‘chip’ in a game. These powerful individuals are also motivated to obfuscate past actions, such as alleged issues with Bill Gates’ polio vaccine efforts in Africa and India.
Malone’s Independence and Media Trust
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Malone’s ability to speak freely stems from his lack of need for power and financial independence secured through his Substack subscribers.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone feels an obligation to use his opportunity to impact the world positively before he leaves, stating he has no need for power and is financially secure via Substack. Mainstream media trust has plummeted due to a lack of corrections or apologies for spreading misinformation during COVID. The Trusted News Initiative (TNI) internally identified Joe Rogan as a major threat to their business model.
Rogan’s Unique Position
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  • Key Takeaway: Joe Rogan’s lack of corporate oversight allows him to host guests like Dr. Malone without editorial constraint, which resonates strongly with young men disillusioned by mainstream narratives.
  • Summary: Young males feel unrepresented by mainstream news figures who have compromised themselves in corporate environments. Rogan’s independence, stemming from his partnership structure with Spotify, allows him to avoid the constraints of executive decision-making based on profitability. This freedom enables him to host guests like Dr. Malone without external interference.
ACIP Role and Government Service
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Malone serves as a Special Government Employee (SGE) on the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), which advises on vaccine policy.
  • Summary: Serving on the ACIP, a Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) committee, requires Dr. Malone to adhere to certain guardrails, such as not discussing upcoming meetings. He chairs the influenza working group and occasionally advises the Secretary of HHS on issues like biodefense initiatives. His SGE status, like Elon Musk’s previously, means he serves without pay.
Bird Flu Policy Critique
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  • Key Takeaway: The entrenched policy of mass culling in response to avian influenza outbreaks is illogical because the virus has a natural, uncontrollable reservoir in migratory waterfowl.
  • Summary: The policy of killing millions of chickens during bird flu outbreaks is criticized as nonsensical because the virus is endemic in wild bird populations. Alternative strategies, such as using compounds like hypochlorous acid in water supplies or breeding resistant chicken cultivars, are being explored. Secretary Kennedy’s willingness to question these long-held consensus narratives is seen as crucial.
Bioweapons and Biotech Risks
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  • Key Takeaway: The accelerating power of biotechnology, coupled with decentralized research (like the Spanish swine fever lab leak), is creating a new threat landscape that regulatory structures cannot match.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone is supporting a State Department group focused on the Bioweapons Convention, noting a planned talk on using AI for monitoring compliance. He detailed an African Swine Fever lab leak in Spain, which involved USDA-cooperating gain-of-function research near a dense wild hog population. The speed of biotechnology advancement is outpacing bioethics and regulatory frameworks, creating high-impact, low-probability risks.
Transhumanism and Reproductive Tech
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  • Key Takeaway: The development of artificial wombs, already demonstrated in animal models, signals a rapid move toward custom-built humans and raises profound ethical concerns about early neural development.
  • Summary: Wealthy individuals are pursuing artificial wombs, viewing the removal of the organic process of gestation as freeing, despite unknown complex interactions between mother and fetus. This technology, combined with cheap whole genome sequencing ($300), opens the door to genetic modification of fetuses, echoing dystopian themes seen in the film Gattaca. The lack of early human-to-human contact, as seen in the case of Ted Kaczynski, highlights the profound impact of early developmental environments.
Vaccine Liability and Historical Narratives
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  • Key Takeaway: The ACIP’s authority to authorize vaccines for the Vaccines for Children program grants manufacturers full indemnification, guaranteed purchasing, and marketing, creating a perfect, risk-free business model.
  • Summary: Once a vaccine is licensed and placed on the pediatric schedule via the ACIP, manufacturers gain complete legal immunity from adverse side effects. This system, which is outside normal congressional oversight, guarantees taxpayer-funded purchasing and marketing. Historical narratives regarding disease decline, such as polio, are often falsely attributed solely to vaccines when environmental factors like DDT use were concurrent.
Genetic Risk Analysis Hope
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  • Key Takeaway: New genetic diagnostic technology is beginning to identify specific genetic markers that correlate with rare adverse events like post-vaccination myocarditis, offering a path to personalized risk assessment.
  • Summary: Researchers have identified seven genes linked to high risk factors for myocarditis following vaccination, a side effect previously associated with smallpox vaccines. This genomic analysis, if allowed to proceed, could allow individuals to test for specific risks associated with vaccines, potentially breaking down decades-old, generalized narratives. This scientific development offers a bright spot against the backdrop of darker technological trends.
Future Energy Sources
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(02:29:39)
  • Key Takeaway: Advanced technology may enable the creation of extremely dense, virtually unlimited energy sources.
  • Summary: Pushing current technology could lead to the ability to produce massive amounts of energy within a small package. This potential energy source is speculated to be weaponizable. Theorists suggest these point sources of unlimited energy might explain otherwise difficult-to-understand phenomena.
Debunking Viral Media
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  • Key Takeaway: A viral video depicting a company’s technology was revealed to be fabricated by a Berlin filmmaker.
  • Summary: Jamie corrected that a previously shown video was not real, having been created by a filmmaker in 2022 and subsequently going viral, even being cited in a New York Post article as real. Confusion exists between this fake video and plans for a pregnancy robot announced for China in 2025. The scientist named in connection with the pregnancy robot project also appears not to be a real person, though work on artificial wombs continues.
Concluding Remarks and Past Reception
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  • Key Takeaway: The current environment is more receptive to Dr. Malone’s information compared to the hostile reception he experienced previously.
  • Summary: Dr. Malone thanked Joe Rogan for providing a platform to share the frontline knowledge he gained from primary care practitioners and collaborating physicians during the pandemic. He noted that the message he shared previously was received in a hostile manner, but now more people are open to receiving that type of information. He attributed some of this shift to the community of physicians and scientists he was embedded within.