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- Achieving great things requires having very high ambitions, as low ambitions result in achieving nothing even if one succeeds.
- The combination of stubbornness and the ability to change one's mind is the most important trait for success in investing.
- In an AI-driven world, crucial human skills that will matter more are interpersonal abilities, listening, and empathy, driven by curiosity.
- Nicolai Tangen views his work not as a transaction but as an integration with life, a perspective he attributes to being fortunate to work on things he finds supremely interesting.
- Asking people for advice subtly signals to the advisor that you recognize their cleverness, as they perceive you as clever enough to seek out their opinion.
- The rapid convergence of geopolitical events and phenomenal technological development, particularly in AI, makes this an incredibly interesting and significant time to be alive.
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Ambition and Tech Evolution
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- Key Takeaway: High ambition leads to great achievements even in failure, unlike low ambition.
- Summary: Ambition level dictates outcomes, where high ambition yields great results even upon failure, whereas low ambition achieves nothing even if successful. The speaker suggests injecting AI everywhere if he were prime minister for a day. Historically powerful economies like Rome and Venice were characterized by open economies with free movement of labor and thought.
Contrarian Investment Leaning
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- Key Takeaway: Doing the opposite of the crowd suggests less AI investment and more real estate.
- Summary: To be contrarian, one might reduce AI-related investments and increase real estate exposure. Office real estate is currently considered a very bad asset class due to factors like remote work, banking issues, and high rates. Structural issues suggest interest rates will likely be higher than the historical average.
AI Bubble Indicators and Productivity
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- Key Takeaway: Frothiness in the AI sector is indicated by extreme market reactions to peripheral companies.
- Summary: Bubble indicators include high valuations, circular ownership, and extreme news coverage, exemplified by related Korean chicken companies surging after an Nvidia CEO visit. The speaker’s firm is seeing a 20% productivity increase by integrating AI, allowing them to maintain headcount while improving quality. Increased productivity from AI and robotics is a factor pulling inflation lower.
Skills for the AI World
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- Key Takeaway: Interpersonal skills, listening, and empathy become more critical as AI automates technical tasks.
- Summary: AI will likely replace humans in some investing roles, but interpersonal skills will become even more important. Teaching listening requires curiosity, as one must be curious to truly listen rather than just waiting to speak. The Nobel laureate Saul Perlmutter noted that humanity has the technology to solve problems but fails due to poor communication and lack of listening.
Societal Closure and Mindsets
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- Key Takeaway: The end of golden ages is marked by economic closure, tariffs, and the end of free thought.
- Summary: Golden ages end when societies close up, imposing tariffs, restricting immigration, and attacking freedoms, which is currently observable globally. American ambition and work ethic are notably higher than in Europe, where cultural aspects are prioritized over growth rates. The Norwegian concept of Janteloven discourages thinking one is fantastic, contrasting sharply with the high ambition seen in places like Wharton.
Injecting Ambition via Technology
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- Key Takeaway: Injecting AI everywhere is the fastest way to boost a nation’s ambition level.
- Summary: If prime minister for a day, the speaker would aggressively implement AI across the country, similar to Sweden’s 1980s Home PC initiative which boosted digitalization. This technological push is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for countries to pull apart competitively. Educational programs using AI, like Alpha School, demonstrate significantly better outcomes in less time.
Data Consumption and Agility
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- Key Takeaway: Predicting the future is increasingly useless; speed and agility are the necessary replacements.
- Summary: The speaker consumes vast amounts of global newspapers daily, finding the current world events incredibly fascinating and unpredictable. A group of clever friends predicted events poorly, being 80% wrong on major geopolitical shifts, highlighting the futility of prediction. Speed is a mindset that saves time, as shorter responses are expected for quicker replies, forcing conciseness.
Urgency and Stubbornness
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- Key Takeaway: Urgency can be manufactured by visualizing finite time, like counting down days left in a role.
- Summary: The speaker uses a clock counting down his remaining days in office to instill urgency in tasks, prompting immediate action. The key to investing is being stubborn enough for contrarian bets but flexible enough to change one’s mind when necessary. Societal pressure to be liked discourages the necessary contrarian thinking required for significant financial success.
Testing Assumptions and Risk
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- Key Takeaway: Reducing blind spots through diverse perspectives is the primary way to improve decision-making.
- Summary: The speaker believes in an objective truth and seeks to reduce blind spots by incorporating diverse opinions and using the scientific method before big investments. Risk appetite is influenced by factors like age, wealth, gender, and geography, with Americans generally taking more risks than Asians. The fund primarily uses an index-plus strategy, dedicating about 20% of capital to active management within a defined risk budget.
Passive Investing and Hardship
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- Key Takeaway: Research is getting easier due to AI, but everything else in investing is getting harder.
- Summary: Passive investing is cheap and avoids the difficulty of beating the market, but it risks perpetuating bubbles by flowing money into already high-valued stocks. The worst investment mistake involved a subprime lender with accounting fraud, teaching the lesson to avoid dubious business models that profit from people in tough situations. Maintaining consistent risk-taking after a loss requires mental strength, similar to Olympic sailors who debrief rigorously to avoid letting one race affect the next.
Taking the Sovereign Wealth Job
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- Key Takeaway: The job combined asset management, psychology, and organizational development, aligning all personal interests.
- Summary: The role was considered a dream job because asset management encompasses psychology, markets, and geopolitics, making it the most interesting game one could construct. The job allowed combining this with organizational development to improve the fund’s structure while serving the country. Norway’s sovereign wealth fund success relies on broad political anchoring, extreme transparency, and a strict 3% annual spending rule.
Building Long-Term Thinking
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- Key Takeaway: Wealth is created by owning excellent assets and doing as little as possible, which is counterintuitive for active managers.
- Summary: The difficulty in long-term thinking is that doing nothing (holding assets) often looks unproductive to portfolio managers who feel pressure to trade. The inertia analysis shows that many active changes actually detract from performance compared to a static index holding. Pattern recognition, or ‘gut feel,’ is best used by senior leaders to narrow down options before applying rigorous analysis.
Seeking Disagreement and Hiring
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- Key Takeaway: Creating psychological safety, symbolized by a ‘straight puck award,’ encourages necessary disagreement.
- Summary: To foster disagreement, one must create an environment where people feel secure speaking up, using tools like physical objects to depersonalize criticism. Key hiring traits sought are curiosity, intelligence, integrity, and drive, with curiosity tested by asking what the candidate is learning now. The speaker learned the value of pre-start conversations (140 in his case) to gather data points before organizational inertia sets in.
Daily Routine & Work Integration
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- Key Takeaway: A disciplined morning routine involving reading and note-taking is essential for capturing middle-of-the-night ideas.
- Summary: Nicolai Tangen wakes at five to read papers and starts emailing afterward, keeping a notepad by the bed for middle-of-the-night ideas. He integrates reading into his evenings to prepare for the next day. He views this continuous engagement as life rather than a transactional fight against work.
Seeking Advice and Perception
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- Key Takeaway: Asking for advice often makes the person giving it feel more clever because they interpret the request as validation of their own intelligence.
- Summary: Tangen seeks advice from many people he speaks with regularly. He notes the psychological effect of asking for counsel: the advisor concludes the asker must be clever to recognize and seek out their specific opinion.
Geopolitics and Technological Awe
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- Key Takeaway: Unforeseen geopolitical events and rapid technological progress should be viewed with a student’s curiosity rather than depression.
- Summary: Geopolitical events continue to push the limits of what Tangen thought possible, which he finds interesting to observe. He emphasizes that technological development is phenomenal, with everything coming together simultaneously. He cites an AI breakthrough in cancer research as a monumental, Neil Armstrong-level event.
Defining Success
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- Key Takeaway: True success is defined by the ability to positively impact the lives of other people.
- Summary: When asked about success, Tangen states that his definition centers on making a positive impact on other people’s lives. This serves as the concluding thought for the discussion on The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish.