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[00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.560] Hey business besties, welcome back to Female Founder World.
[00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:07.840] I'm Jalsman, I'm the host of the show and the person behind all things Female Found World.
[00:00:07.840 --> 00:00:09.440] Today I'm chatting with Sophie Hood.
[00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:11.840] She is the founder of Soltonic.
[00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:13.040] Sophie, welcome to the show.
[00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:14.080] Thanks so much for having me.
[00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.080] Tell me what Soltonic is for people who don't know you.
[00:00:16.080 --> 00:00:20.800] Soltonic is a functional beverage brand rooted in East Asian methodology.
[00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:22.160] And what does it do?
[00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:23.360] So we have tonics.
[00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:27.440] The original one was to drink before drinking, which essentially helps your liver.
[00:00:27.520 --> 00:00:28.480] As in like drinking alcohol.
[00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.680] Drinking alcohol, helps your liver naturally detoxify alcohol.
[00:00:31.680 --> 00:00:39.280] And then the second one is all around digestion and rehydration, but essentially leveraging my manufacturer's painted extraction methods.
[00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:47.360] So it's all natural, really effective, and really, it's both a health beverage, but also to, I guess, help you when you drink.
[00:00:47.360 --> 00:00:49.040] And the business is only a few years old.
[00:00:49.040 --> 00:00:51.920] You launched in 2022, but you've done so much.
[00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:52.880] End of 2022.
[00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.640] Yeah, I know it feels, it's crazy.
[00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:55.360] Yeah, crazy.
[00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:56.880] It's like less than three years old.
[00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:05.520] Can you kind of rattle off some milestones about stuff that you've done that you're proud of or that just stands out to help people understand where you're at and where the business is at?
[00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:13.920] Yes, so launching in 2022 in December just essentially through from my Bono Beach Garage localized little approach by March.
[00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.840] Oh and I was working full-time at Red Bull this entire time until just last year.
[00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:26.480] My first like kind of major-ish retail launch was just three months later into one of the most like a premium grocery chain around New South Wales.
[00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:27.760] Which is a state in Australia.
[00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.440] Which is a state in Australia.
[00:01:29.440 --> 00:01:34.000] And then we continued to roll out and got into national liquor.
[00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:39.600] So Dow Murphy's and BWS, which is all around the country, still within that first year of launch.
[00:01:39.600 --> 00:01:42.960] And then within two years of launch, we were in 2,000 retailers.
[00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:46.800] We launched into Woolworths Metro, which is kind of like the Whole Foods, I guess.
[00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.800] Launched into New Zealand and then launched into National Pharmacy as well, Chemist Warehouse.
[00:01:52.800 --> 00:01:56.320] And now we're just, I guess, we're kind of cemented in a lot of different channels.
[00:01:56.320 --> 00:02:02.520] So we're in health, beauty, fitness, liquor, grocery, specialty, even fashion retail.
[00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:06.920] And now, just recently, I've moved to New York and launching in the US and the UK at the same time.
[00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:11.160] Okay, so we are chatting in New York today, where you've like moved and where you're focused.
[00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:18.280] And you were just telling me before the show about what's been happening in the UK, and you just got some updates today.
[00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.800] How is that launch going?
[00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.200] Yeah, so the UK kind of came out of nowhere.
[00:02:22.200 --> 00:02:26.680] It was through a distributor that I was working with in Melbourne and they saw the opportunity in the UK.
[00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.480] They also have a 3PL in London.
[00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:35.880] And we had this opportunity to showcase the products in a store in Nottinghill amongst 300 other brands.
[00:02:35.880 --> 00:02:36.680] What's the store?
[00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.440] It was called, it's called Ray the Store.
[00:02:38.440 --> 00:02:41.800] If anyone in the US knows Pop-Up Grocer, it's the equivalent.
[00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:42.280] Similar.
[00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:43.400] It's the London's equivalent.
[00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.040] It's like honestly the same kind of brand.
[00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.160] Such a good launch pack.
[00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:48.280] So good.
[00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.800] And it's just like the coolest CPG brands.
[00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:59.400] And we just found out that not only was Soltonic like the best performing brand, but each product was number one and number two.
[00:02:59.400 --> 00:02:59.720] Wow.
[00:02:59.720 --> 00:03:04.920] And we had people lining up, like asking to buy bulk and calling up and saying when will it be back in?
[00:03:04.920 --> 00:03:06.840] And they sold us out three times over.
[00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.800] Okay, I need to know like what is driving all of that demand, first of all.
[00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.520] Like where are people finding out about you and what's working?
[00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:21.320] We're going to talk about some of the stuff you've learned about global expansion because you're boots on the ground in all of these places, like doing these launches.
[00:03:21.320 --> 00:03:24.120] But first, I want to talk about that first kind of year in the business.
[00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.800] You were working full-time at Red Bull while you were building the business.
[00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:33.800] What were some of those things that you did in the early days to get traction while you're working, like literally nights and weekends to do this?
[00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:43.720] So, I, because I didn't really have any money to pay anyone, like, I didn't even really, I didn't really invest in paid ads even till last year.
[00:03:44.040 --> 00:03:55.360] So, I used, I guess, a local community approach, and I just tried to sell into as many stores in my neighborhood, which was Bondo Beach, and kind of, I guess, suburbs around it.
[00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:07.200] And so, that meant that if someone saw it in one store and then they would go into literally like their health food store three doors down and then their smoothie joint three doors down and then their local liquor shop, they would just keep seeing it over and over again.
[00:04:07.200 --> 00:04:12.160] And then it just drove this kind of like weird brand awareness where everyone's like, What is this new product?
[00:04:12.160 --> 00:04:15.360] Because bearing in mind, this category doesn't really exist.
[00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:20.240] This is something that's been in South Korea for generations where people will always drink something for their liver.
[00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.000] Like, think about preventative East Asian wellness over Western wellness.
[00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:24.960] It's very different.
[00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:28.080] You know, we're usually leaning towards like Panadol, like a Bandaid solution.
[00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:32.560] And in East Asia, they are using like preventative measures that are quite natural.
[00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.440] So, like your acupuncturist, like little tonic.
[00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:42.320] So, no one knew what it was, but it looked really chic and it was just packaged up in a way that it was enticing to try.
[00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:45.680] And then, as soon as it worked for one person, it just grew.
[00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:51.920] It was really a word-of-mouth approach, but yeah, I would sell into honestly as many stores as possible, and that was my billboard.
[00:04:51.920 --> 00:05:11.040] I think it's so smart when brands do this like niched-down approach, and that could mean a physical location niche, or it could mean a consumer niche, where you are literally just you are taking over a particular area.
[00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:16.400] And for people who live there or who are in that space, it feels like all of a sudden you're everywhere.
[00:05:16.400 --> 00:05:29.760] I hear about people doing this where they, through the influencer marketing strategy, where they're like gifting friend groups, and so they give the friend group, and then all of a sudden, everyone who follows those like five or ten women think that your brand is so much bigger than it is.
[00:05:29.880 --> 00:05:37.400] And I feel like it's the same thing where you did really like I'm going to focus on this hyper targeted physical area that's also quite influential, Bondi.
[00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:42.120] And all of a sudden for the girls that live in Bondi, it feels like you're so much bigger and all of a sudden everywhere.
[00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.040] But for you, you're just being really selective.
[00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:52.040] So rather than launching in one cute store in Bondi, one cute store in like Melbourne, somewhere on the Gold Coast, for people that live there, all of a sudden you're this big deal.
[00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:52.680] Exactly right.
[00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:59.160] And then when I started going into more like recognizable names like Woolworths and BWS, they are also in Bondi.
[00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:00.120] So it was even crazier.
[00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.440] So I was in all the independents and then I was in the nationals.
[00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:02.920] Wow.
[00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:09.160] And then everyone always said, oh my God, you're killing it, even though I was absolutely not killing it at the time.
[00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.480] And I did leverage my network a lot.
[00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:19.480] So I do have a lot of friends who are saying models or in the creative scene and they were just drinking it and they were just like shooting it because they just like were helping me out.
[00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.840] And that really goes a long way and that's super underrated.
[00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.080] Let's kind of fast forward a little bit.
[00:06:25.080 --> 00:06:28.760] March 2023, you got on a national TV show that you filmed.
[00:06:28.760 --> 00:06:33.960] You're still working full-time at your job and you took some, you took like leave, holiday leave or vacation to do this.
[00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:34.760] What was it?
[00:06:34.760 --> 00:06:40.200] So it's a show called Foodstars with Gordon Ramsey and the business had launched for eight weeks just on social media.
[00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:41.720] You were eight weeks old.
[00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:42.440] Yeah.
[00:06:42.440 --> 00:06:52.920] We only had 1,000 followers on the Sultonic page and I get this like request from a producer from Endelmore Shine who does like The Bachelor, Married at First Sight and they were like, we're doing this new like business show.
[00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.920] It's kind of like Shark Tank meets the apprentice.
[00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:56.440] Do they live in Bondi by any chance?
[00:06:56.440 --> 00:06:57.080] How did they find you?
[00:06:57.320 --> 00:07:00.520] I have, to this day, no one's told me how they found me.
[00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:01.160] I'm dying.
[00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:02.600] I really want to know.
[00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.600] And I got it and I was like, I'm not doing this.
[00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.360] I've got a full-time job in finance.
[00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.120] I've launched this side business as a side hustle under my sister's name.
[00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.400] Like, I haven't told my company that this is mine, really.
[00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:14.520] How can I do this?
[00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:15.280] And then I went back.
[00:07:14.840 --> 00:07:16.560] So I used to work at LBMH.
[00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:23.920] My old LVMH director, who was a kind of supporter of mine, he, I like messaged him and he was like, no, no, no, you have to do it.
[00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.160] It's the most amazing brand awareness you'll ever get.
[00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:27.680] You're probably not even going to get onto the show.
[00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.600] Why don't you just go through the rounds?
[00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.200] So long story short, went through the rounds and they wanted me on the first episode of the show.
[00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:36.960] So I went to Red Bull and I said, okay, so I've been like invited onto this show.
[00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:38.400] You know, Red Bull gives you wings.
[00:07:38.400 --> 00:07:45.680] Like, why don't you let me like, this will be great for my public speaking, like development and, you know, confidence.
[00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.840] And I don't know how, but I manipulated them into thinking this was a great idea.
[00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:58.240] And I said that I will either be gone for one day if I get eliminated on the first episode, which most people do, or I'll be gone for five weeks if I win the entire show.
[00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:05.840] And then I was went to Melbourne for five weeks and ended up winning, but I didn't know I'd won for a year later because we filmed two endings.
[00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:08.800] So we filmed an ending where I won and one where I came second.
[00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:14.480] And the final episode was this big TED talk in Fed Square Theatre in Melbourne to like a lot of industry heavyweights.
[00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:21.600] Obviously Gordon Ramsey was front and center and then Janine Alice, who's like this, I guess, of Australia, one of Australia's most prominent females.
[00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.520] She's like the Sarah Blakely of Australia.
[00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:24.240] Yeah.
[00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:35.840] So yeah, so then it aired a year later, but I had signed an NDA, so I still had to work full-time for that whole year because no one could know that I'd gone far in the show.
[00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.920] They didn't want me to make any like life changes that would insinuate that I something's happened.
[00:08:39.920 --> 00:08:40.400] Wow.
[00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:41.760] Okay, so what did you win?
[00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:47.840] So I won $250,000 as a cash prize, so no equity stake, which is incredible, and mentorship.
[00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:48.320] Incredible.
[00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:49.440] Mentorship with Janine.
[00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:50.480] Mentorship with Janine.
[00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:56.240] However, Gordon and I actually do have a line, which is awesome, through his head of content, Justin.
[00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:57.200] Wow.
[00:08:57.520 --> 00:09:00.440] And that $250,000, what's that gone towards?
[00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:04.040] Okay, business besties, let's switch gears for a second.
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[00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:28.520] So that allows, so actually that was eaten up by a lot of legal fees because, you know, crazy things happen when you're on a national TV show.
[00:10:28.520 --> 00:10:34.680] So I had to use like defamation lawyers, food lawyers, oh, just like people coming out of the woodwork, like blackmailing me.
[00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:35.320] Crazy thing.
[00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:35.800] I'm sorry.
[00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:39.320] No, I know, but like, I didn't think this would happen.
[00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.760] But now I really empathize with, you know, people who are on like maths and the bachelor and they say that they've gone through like trauma.
[00:10:44.760 --> 00:10:47.760] I'm like, people are really strange.
[00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:59.200] And yeah, people, my product sits as in between like a medicine and a beverage because we use medicinal ingredients.
[00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:07.440] So people were just, just Karens, essentially, were just trying to go to the regulation and say, was there any issues?
[00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:08.240] But there was no issues.
[00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.440] It's an all-natural product.
[00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.800] There's absolutely none, but it just ate up legal fees.
[00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:21.680] But it also allowed me to quit my full-time job, of which the managing director of Red Bull was obviously like, we've been watching you as a national TV show for five weeks on Channel 9.
[00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:22.400] Not surprised.
[00:11:22.400 --> 00:11:24.240] This is the time to go.
[00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:28.320] And it's allowed me to actually basically go full-time into the business.
[00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:28.640] That's time.
[00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.640] Be able to keep bootstrapping it.
[00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:32.240] So when did you quit your job?
[00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:40.320] So literally when the finale aired, so last May, and then I contracted back for a month and a half to Red Bull.
[00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.160] So it's basically been a year today.
[00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.200] I've been full-time.
[00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.480] Oh, my goodness.
[00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.520] I am actually blown away by how much you've done in that time.
[00:11:47.520 --> 00:11:52.480] We were talking before the show, and I was like, okay, are you able to pay yourself from the business yet?
[00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.400] And tell me what your answer was.
[00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.240] So, well, the answer is no, essentially.
[00:11:58.400 --> 00:12:04.000] I could, but it would hamstrung, it would like, it would jeopardize the growth of the business.
[00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.680] So I think I want to make it known that optics are a big thing.
[00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:10.560] And I get messages all the time being like, you are killing it.
[00:12:10.560 --> 00:12:13.280] You must be making so much money personally.
[00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.520] And no, I haven't been able to pay myself a salary, but I did win prize money that I can live off.
[00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:18.680] Yeah.
[00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:20.080] So that's really important to know.
[00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:25.760] And I also had a high-paying finance job of which I invested my entire salary back into the business.
[00:12:25.760 --> 00:12:26.400] Wow.
[00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:28.480] And that's just so important to call out.
[00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.000] I think we don't talk about that enough.
[00:12:30.040 --> 00:12:42.040] And I think a lot of people start businesses or get a year or two in and they're kind of struggling to afford to live and pay themselves, even if the business is successful, particularly if you've got a consumer product and you don't have investors.
[00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:43.720] And people are surprised by that.
[00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:56.040] And I think it's really important to have this conversation so we can talk about what kind of financial buffer you need to get into this or what it takes where you need to be to actually be able to quit your full-time job or you need to find other streams of income.
[00:12:56.040 --> 00:12:59.640] Like I was doing consulting work in Female Founder World for a really long time.
[00:12:59.640 --> 00:13:05.400] And it's really only in the last year, maybe less, that I have been able to pay myself from the business.
[00:13:05.400 --> 00:13:06.120] Which is incredible.
[00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.120] And on that other stream of income, I do the same.
[00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.560] So I do some brand deals.
[00:13:09.560 --> 00:13:15.080] I've worked with LinkedIn and TikTok and Adobe and they pay me a sum of money to do content.
[00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.520] Obviously, I don't do anything that's not super aligned because I'm a business owner first, not an influencer.
[00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:28.360] But having the personal brand on the side, although it's not massive, it's actually gotten me so many business deals and then it's given me another stream of income.
[00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.840] Let's talk about having the personal brand on the side.
[00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.720] That was built while you were building the business, right?
[00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.560] You weren't like an influencer before you started.
[00:13:35.560 --> 00:13:36.040] Never was.
[00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:37.720] I was always very corporate.
[00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:44.680] So, you know, I started at Ernst Young when I was 20 in a strategy role and then LVMH, commercial finance, strategy, same as Red Bull.
[00:13:44.680 --> 00:13:48.280] It was almost impossible to be able to have that extreme influencer.
[00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:48.760] They don't want you to.
[00:13:48.920 --> 00:13:49.560] No, no, no, no.
[00:13:49.640 --> 00:13:50.440] Especially back then.
[00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.920] Like that would have been so frowned upon.
[00:13:52.920 --> 00:13:53.320] Yes.
[00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:54.360] Even I had to be really careful.
[00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:05.480] I had to screen my Instagram and Facebook when I was going for job interviews and they would screen me because I would be working in major banks and working there like Wealth division and doing divestments and doing larger strategy projects.
[00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:10.280] However, when the show, when I filmed the show, that was, I still didn't have a personal brand.
[00:14:10.280 --> 00:14:11.560] I still didn't have a TikTok.
[00:14:11.560 --> 00:14:20.720] And then Channel 9, which is the major network that the show aired on, they said, you're going to have to have something that when people watch the show, they can go to to connect with you.
[00:14:14.760 --> 00:14:22.240] And so then that's when I started TikTok.
[00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:29.360] So I've only been doing TikTok for about a year and I've just been documenting things that are real to me.
[00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.000] Like I guess there's this whole concept of document, don't create.
[00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.840] And I feel like that's really my strategy.
[00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:38.000] I'm just documenting or doing really lo-fi things, not really edited.
[00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.840] But how that's transpired is that it's obviously connected with a lot of people.
[00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.960] And I've had buy, the reason I launched in New Zealand was a buyer found me on TikTok and had been watching me.
[00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.840] And she said, I run this major health food specialty grocery chain in New Zealand.
[00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.040] I'm going to pitch you in.
[00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:53.680] And she did it.
[00:14:53.680 --> 00:14:55.280] And I still haven't gone to New Zealand.
[00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:58.160] And it's a really significant market for us now.
[00:14:58.160 --> 00:14:58.560] Incredible.
[00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:05.840] I'd love to know some of the content, just specific content ideas or things that you do or document that are resonating really well.
[00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:10.400] So a lot of it is around, so I am doing a lot of the business myself.
[00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:11.120] And so a lot of it is.
[00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.640] You don't have any employees yet?
[00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:14.080] So no full-time employees.
[00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:20.800] I have my amazing creative director, Benny, who's been there doing the packaging design and the creative stuff from day one.
[00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:22.640] And he works for equity, not for a salary?
[00:15:22.640 --> 00:15:27.760] Yep, he's got equity and he is still a freelancer full-time for other clients.
[00:15:27.760 --> 00:15:33.600] And then more recently, I've got a fractional CMO who's on an ESOP earning in on Targets.
[00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.600] And he also works for other clients.
[00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.800] So I don't have any full-time resource on a salary.
[00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:43.040] And these, both of these guys are more senior than me, which is not more senior than you.
[00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:43.760] You're Loss.
[00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.040] They're older than me.
[00:15:45.040 --> 00:15:45.600] I love that.
[00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:46.480] They're older than me.
[00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.080] And then I have my amazing TikTok girl.
[00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.120] She's fantastic and she does some TikTok content, but otherwise, no.
[00:15:51.120 --> 00:16:04.840] But what resonates on TikTok is that, so when I'm doing these larger retail deals, like with Woolworths or Chemist Warehouse or whoever it is, I document how I got them and kind of what levers I pulled to get it across the line.
[00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:12.200] So how I would pitch to them, what my pitch deck would look like, how I would not pay marketing fees and how I would trade value.
[00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.800] So instead of paying a shelf fee, it's like, okay, well, why don't I create all of these pieces of content of me going into Chemist Warehouse?
[00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:24.760] And instead, I will flood Instagram with organic content instead of having to pay you like $5,000 to be on shelf.
[00:16:24.760 --> 00:16:25.720] Yep, that makes sense.
[00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.160] So be a bit more resourceful.
[00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:28.040] Clever.
[00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:28.920] What else is working?
[00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:35.080] Aside from the fact that your product works and you're getting all of this word of mouth because people are saying it made me feel better.
[00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.800] It's like a product that I love and they're recommending it to their friends.
[00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:43.640] What are you doing that is driving this demand that's helping you sell out in stores online?
[00:16:43.640 --> 00:16:44.440] What's working?
[00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:50.440] I think everything changed when we brought a content creator in-house and that's my TikTok girl, Chessie.
[00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:51.080] Where is she based?
[00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:56.680] She's in Melbourne, but when she started, she only had 7,000 followers on her own personal TikTok.
[00:16:56.680 --> 00:17:02.520] And now she's grown her own personal TikTok to over 30,000, has a YouTube channel, and people are kind of falling in love with her.
[00:17:02.760 --> 00:17:04.520] But then she's showing up on the brand all the time.
[00:17:04.520 --> 00:17:06.360] And she was a customer beforehand.
[00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:09.320] She ordered organically, always using it with her friends.
[00:17:09.320 --> 00:17:11.160] It was showing up in her content.
[00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:18.920] And then bringing her in-house was one of the best decisions we've ever done because people are connecting to her and me.
[00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.520] And I've been able to segregate myself away from the brand a little bit.
[00:17:22.520 --> 00:17:25.240] So I'm not the sultonic girl anymore.
[00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:26.200] I'm Sophie.
[00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:34.440] And then I kind of becoming this other avenue for people to be part of the brand that's not a direct sell, if that makes sense.
[00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.800] How did you find this creator?
[00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:39.080] I'm also looking for someone to help me in Australia when I'm there.
[00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:40.600] And I'm having such a hard time.
[00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.960] All the good creators are influencers in the room right now.
[00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:55.120] So, I was really lucky that Chessie, she's dating a guy called Sam, and Sam is her sister called Tabby, and Tabby's married to Ben, my designer.
[00:17:55.120 --> 00:17:55.680] Oh, okay.
[00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.040] So, it's like kind of in the family.
[00:17:57.040 --> 00:17:57.360] Yeah.
[00:17:57.360 --> 00:17:58.960] So, I knew I was watching her from afar.
[00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:03.040] I'd never had a relationship with her, so I didn't know her, but I knew of her.
[00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:05.760] And what kind of stuff was working in terms of content?
[00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:14.640] It's interestingly entertainment, so skit stuff, nothing that's like really selling, but it still leads to sales.
[00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.960] It does lead to, it leads to mass awareness, and we're seeing that translate in retail.
[00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:25.040] So, yes, we have e-commerce and we go pretty well on Amazon, but 95% of the business is retail.
[00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:36.080] So, we have a lot of physical presence, and so people obviously see the brand on TikTok and then they go to your Woolworths or they go to their like health food store and then they just try it.
[00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:37.440] And we're seeing that convert.
[00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:46.320] And with the London stuff, why we were the best selling, I honestly, the only thing I can think of is TikTok because it's the only thing that's global.
[00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:49.040] We haven't done any marketing, we've done no paid, we've done nothing.
[00:18:49.040 --> 00:18:50.160] You've done no paid?
[00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:54.240] Not in not outside of Australia, no, so not in New Zealand or UK or US.
[00:18:54.240 --> 00:19:04.160] Talk to me about your retail strategy, your wholesale strategy, how you're getting these big retailers on board, the pitch process, just advice for somebody else who wants to get into some of these big stockers.
[00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.960] So, you need to reach out to the buyer and you need to be incessant.
[00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:14.320] Like, you need to keep reaching out, and you need to find the right contact for your category, and you need to understand when your category's range review is, and that's the most important thing.
[00:19:14.320 --> 00:19:21.280] So, for example, Whole Foods in the US, my category's range review isn't till April of 2026.
[00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:29.720] So, I now need to start planning for that and planting all the seeds to be able to A, be invited to that range review and B, be successful.
[00:19:29.360 --> 00:19:35.240] So these massive retail deals, they take a long time, a lot longer than people think.
[00:19:35.560 --> 00:19:43.000] In Australia, you can be a little bit more strategic in the sense that if someone really believes in you, they will go outside of range review and they can put you in.
[00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:52.280] So for example, Woolworths Metro, I was put in within three weeks just before Christmas, and that was unheard of, but that was because I had the opportunity to pitch to the general manager.
[00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:59.640] So it's a lot of saying yes to things, networking, figuring out the buyer, just like getting rid of your ego and reaching out.
[00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:02.440] That sounds exactly the same as us trying to find paid partners.
[00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.960] Like it's a lot of just messaging people on LinkedIn, trying to find the right contact.
[00:20:06.280 --> 00:20:07.080] It's really humbling.
[00:20:08.280 --> 00:20:10.760] I've realized in America, wow, everyone's doing it.
[00:20:10.760 --> 00:20:14.600] The amount I get hit up in America from other people is different.
[00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:15.400] The attitude is different.
[00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.280] And the UK.
[00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.080] It's like light and day.
[00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:20.600] Let's talk about global expansion.
[00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:27.000] What's been working for you is you've been launching into different markets because you're in four different international markets now.
[00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:27.560] Yes.
[00:20:27.560 --> 00:20:30.200] So what's been working is still a retail strategy.
[00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.840] D2C has been really good in America actually because people use, people buy better.
[00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.280] We have a warehouse here.
[00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:38.520] So I'm just finalizing the warehouse setup.
[00:20:38.520 --> 00:20:41.560] The problem has been getting my container in with the tariffs.
[00:20:41.560 --> 00:20:47.560] So I've been selling in beauty stores in Manhattan and Williamsburg for over a year, just but air freighting in.
[00:20:47.560 --> 00:20:52.120] And then I've got interest from a lot of other stores, but I can barely honestly service them.
[00:20:52.120 --> 00:21:02.120] Like even the recovery facilities here, like the ice bath places in New York, they're selling out of the product and I can't, I just can't restock them because it's really hard to get it into the country right now.
[00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:03.560] Where are you manufacturing?
[00:21:03.560 --> 00:21:04.520] All in South Korea.
[00:21:04.520 --> 00:21:07.400] So it has to be there because that's where our farm is.
[00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.880] That's where like our extraction happens.
[00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.440] And so, yeah, it's where the magic happens.
[00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.480] Okay, so then the plan is to have a warehouse in the US, another warehouse and distribution in the UK.
[00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:21.040] So I've already got the warehouse set up in the UK and that's operational.
[00:21:21.520 --> 00:21:22.800] And you'll ship everything.
[00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:26.400] So it'll take three months or something like that for a product to get here.
[00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:26.880] Is that how long?
[00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:31.120] So it takes about five weeks on sea, and every container is around 50,000 units.
[00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:32.640] Okay, so interesting.
[00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:40.640] The last thing I want to ask you, Sophie, is for a resource recommendation, something that's been helping you as you've been building Sultonic that you recommend to other people who want to be founders as well.
[00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:50.880] So my, it's not like a physical resource, but it's finding a friend who is a lawyer and using them and bouncing off them constantly.
[00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.520] So my sister's a lawyer and both my parents are.
[00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:53.920] Lucky.
[00:21:53.920 --> 00:22:06.720] And I think it's really underrated just using your friends who are in fields that can be helpful to you and just relying just on one person and not getting too much advice when you're just being quite specific on advice.
[00:22:07.040 --> 00:22:08.720] That has been a game changer for me.
[00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.560] And just trusting that, it's just made me move a lot faster with deals.
[00:22:12.560 --> 00:22:18.400] And I'm always like looking at contract negotiation and I always just need a once over.
[00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.000] So yeah, it's leveraging your friends.
[00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:20.720] I love that.
[00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.920] Thank you so much for coming on the show and congratulations on everything you've built.
[00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.360] Thanks so much for having me.
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Prompt 2: Key Takeaways

Now please extract the key takeaways from the transcript content I provided.

Extract the most important key takeaways from this part of the conversation. Use a single sentence statement (the key takeaway) rather than milquetoast descriptions like "the hosts discuss...". 

Limit the key takeaways to a maximum of 3. The key takeaways should be insightful and knowledge-additive. 

IMPORTANT: Return ONLY valid JSON, no explanations or markdown. Ensure:
- All strings are properly quoted and escaped
- No trailing commas
- All braces and brackets are balanced
Format: {"key_takeaways": ["takeaway 1", "takeaway 2"]}

Prompt 3: Segments

Now identify 2-4 distinct topical segments from this part of the conversation.

For each segment, identify:
- Descriptive title (3-6 words)  
- START timestamp when this topic begins (HH:MM:SS format)
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Most important Key takeaway from that segment. Key takeaway must be specific and knowledge-additive.
- Brief summary of the discussion

IMPORTANT: The timestamp should mark when the topic/segment STARTS, not a range. Look for topic transitions and conversation shifts.

Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted, no trailing commas:
{
  "segments": [
    {
      "segment_title": "Topic Discussion", 
      "timestamp": "01:15:30",
      "key_takeaway": "main point from this segment",
      "segment_summary": "brief description of what was discussed"
    }
  ]
}

Timestamp format: HH:MM:SS (e.g., 00:05:30, 01:22:45) marking the START of each segment.

Prompt 4: Media Mentions

Now scan the transcript content I provided for ACTUAL mentions of specific media titles:

Find explicit mentions of:
- Books (with specific titles)
- Movies (with specific titles)  
- TV Shows (with specific titles)
- Music/Songs (with specific titles)

DO NOT include:
- Websites, URLs, or web services
- Other podcasts or podcast names

IMPORTANT: 
- Only include items explicitly mentioned by name. Do not invent titles.
- Valid categories are: "Book", "Movie", "TV Show", "Music"
- Include the exact phrase where each item was mentioned
- Find the nearest proximate timestamp where it appears in the conversation
- THE TIMESTAMP OF THE MEDIA MENTION IS IMPORTANT - DO NOT INVENT TIMESTAMPS AND DO NOT MISATTRIBUTE TIMESTAMPS
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Timestamps are given as ranges, e.g. 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:46.720. Use the EARLIER of the 2 timestamps in the range.

Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted and escaped, no trailing commas:
{
  "media_mentions": [
    {
      "title": "Exact Title as Mentioned",
      "category": "Book",
      "author_artist": "N/A",
      "context": "Brief context of why it was mentioned",
      "context_phrase": "The exact sentence or phrase where it was mentioned",
      "timestamp": "estimated time like 01:15:30"
    }
  ]
}

If no media is mentioned, return: {"media_mentions": []}

Full Transcript

[00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.560] Hey business besties, welcome back to Female Founder World.
[00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:07.840] I'm Jalsman, I'm the host of the show and the person behind all things Female Found World.
[00:00:07.840 --> 00:00:09.440] Today I'm chatting with Sophie Hood.
[00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:11.840] She is the founder of Soltonic.
[00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:13.040] Sophie, welcome to the show.
[00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:14.080] Thanks so much for having me.
[00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:16.080] Tell me what Soltonic is for people who don't know you.
[00:00:16.080 --> 00:00:20.800] Soltonic is a functional beverage brand rooted in East Asian methodology.
[00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:22.160] And what does it do?
[00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:23.360] So we have tonics.
[00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:27.440] The original one was to drink before drinking, which essentially helps your liver.
[00:00:27.520 --> 00:00:28.480] As in like drinking alcohol.
[00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.680] Drinking alcohol, helps your liver naturally detoxify alcohol.
[00:00:31.680 --> 00:00:39.280] And then the second one is all around digestion and rehydration, but essentially leveraging my manufacturer's painted extraction methods.
[00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:47.360] So it's all natural, really effective, and really, it's both a health beverage, but also to, I guess, help you when you drink.
[00:00:47.360 --> 00:00:49.040] And the business is only a few years old.
[00:00:49.040 --> 00:00:51.920] You launched in 2022, but you've done so much.
[00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:52.880] End of 2022.
[00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.640] Yeah, I know it feels, it's crazy.
[00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:55.360] Yeah, crazy.
[00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:56.880] It's like less than three years old.
[00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:05.520] Can you kind of rattle off some milestones about stuff that you've done that you're proud of or that just stands out to help people understand where you're at and where the business is at?
[00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:13.920] Yes, so launching in 2022 in December just essentially through from my Bono Beach Garage localized little approach by March.
[00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.840] Oh and I was working full-time at Red Bull this entire time until just last year.
[00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:26.480] My first like kind of major-ish retail launch was just three months later into one of the most like a premium grocery chain around New South Wales.
[00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:27.760] Which is a state in Australia.
[00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:29.440] Which is a state in Australia.
[00:01:29.440 --> 00:01:34.000] And then we continued to roll out and got into national liquor.
[00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:39.600] So Dow Murphy's and BWS, which is all around the country, still within that first year of launch.
[00:01:39.600 --> 00:01:42.960] And then within two years of launch, we were in 2,000 retailers.
[00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:46.800] We launched into Woolworths Metro, which is kind of like the Whole Foods, I guess.
[00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.800] Launched into New Zealand and then launched into National Pharmacy as well, Chemist Warehouse.
[00:01:52.800 --> 00:01:56.320] And now we're just, I guess, we're kind of cemented in a lot of different channels.
[00:01:56.320 --> 00:02:02.520] So we're in health, beauty, fitness, liquor, grocery, specialty, even fashion retail.
[00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:06.920] And now, just recently, I've moved to New York and launching in the US and the UK at the same time.
[00:02:07.240 --> 00:02:11.160] Okay, so we are chatting in New York today, where you've like moved and where you're focused.
[00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:18.280] And you were just telling me before the show about what's been happening in the UK, and you just got some updates today.
[00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.800] How is that launch going?
[00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.200] Yeah, so the UK kind of came out of nowhere.
[00:02:22.200 --> 00:02:26.680] It was through a distributor that I was working with in Melbourne and they saw the opportunity in the UK.
[00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.480] They also have a 3PL in London.
[00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:35.880] And we had this opportunity to showcase the products in a store in Nottinghill amongst 300 other brands.
[00:02:35.880 --> 00:02:36.680] What's the store?
[00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.440] It was called, it's called Ray the Store.
[00:02:38.440 --> 00:02:41.800] If anyone in the US knows Pop-Up Grocer, it's the equivalent.
[00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:42.280] Similar.
[00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:43.400] It's the London's equivalent.
[00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.040] It's like honestly the same kind of brand.
[00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.160] Such a good launch pack.
[00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:48.280] So good.
[00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.800] And it's just like the coolest CPG brands.
[00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:59.400] And we just found out that not only was Soltonic like the best performing brand, but each product was number one and number two.
[00:02:59.400 --> 00:02:59.720] Wow.
[00:02:59.720 --> 00:03:04.920] And we had people lining up, like asking to buy bulk and calling up and saying when will it be back in?
[00:03:04.920 --> 00:03:06.840] And they sold us out three times over.
[00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.800] Okay, I need to know like what is driving all of that demand, first of all.
[00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.520] Like where are people finding out about you and what's working?
[00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:21.320] We're going to talk about some of the stuff you've learned about global expansion because you're boots on the ground in all of these places, like doing these launches.
[00:03:21.320 --> 00:03:24.120] But first, I want to talk about that first kind of year in the business.
[00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.800] You were working full-time at Red Bull while you were building the business.
[00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:33.800] What were some of those things that you did in the early days to get traction while you're working, like literally nights and weekends to do this?
[00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:43.720] So, I, because I didn't really have any money to pay anyone, like, I didn't even really, I didn't really invest in paid ads even till last year.
[00:03:44.040 --> 00:03:55.360] So, I used, I guess, a local community approach, and I just tried to sell into as many stores in my neighborhood, which was Bondo Beach, and kind of, I guess, suburbs around it.
[00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:07.200] And so, that meant that if someone saw it in one store and then they would go into literally like their health food store three doors down and then their smoothie joint three doors down and then their local liquor shop, they would just keep seeing it over and over again.
[00:04:07.200 --> 00:04:12.160] And then it just drove this kind of like weird brand awareness where everyone's like, What is this new product?
[00:04:12.160 --> 00:04:15.360] Because bearing in mind, this category doesn't really exist.
[00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:20.240] This is something that's been in South Korea for generations where people will always drink something for their liver.
[00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.000] Like, think about preventative East Asian wellness over Western wellness.
[00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:24.960] It's very different.
[00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:28.080] You know, we're usually leaning towards like Panadol, like a Bandaid solution.
[00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:32.560] And in East Asia, they are using like preventative measures that are quite natural.
[00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.440] So, like your acupuncturist, like little tonic.
[00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:42.320] So, no one knew what it was, but it looked really chic and it was just packaged up in a way that it was enticing to try.
[00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:45.680] And then, as soon as it worked for one person, it just grew.
[00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:51.920] It was really a word-of-mouth approach, but yeah, I would sell into honestly as many stores as possible, and that was my billboard.
[00:04:51.920 --> 00:05:11.040] I think it's so smart when brands do this like niched-down approach, and that could mean a physical location niche, or it could mean a consumer niche, where you are literally just you are taking over a particular area.
[00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:16.400] And for people who live there or who are in that space, it feels like all of a sudden you're everywhere.
[00:05:16.400 --> 00:05:29.760] I hear about people doing this where they, through the influencer marketing strategy, where they're like gifting friend groups, and so they give the friend group, and then all of a sudden, everyone who follows those like five or ten women think that your brand is so much bigger than it is.
[00:05:29.880 --> 00:05:37.400] And I feel like it's the same thing where you did really like I'm going to focus on this hyper targeted physical area that's also quite influential, Bondi.
[00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:42.120] And all of a sudden for the girls that live in Bondi, it feels like you're so much bigger and all of a sudden everywhere.
[00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.040] But for you, you're just being really selective.
[00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:52.040] So rather than launching in one cute store in Bondi, one cute store in like Melbourne, somewhere on the Gold Coast, for people that live there, all of a sudden you're this big deal.
[00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:52.680] Exactly right.
[00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:59.160] And then when I started going into more like recognizable names like Woolworths and BWS, they are also in Bondi.
[00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:00.120] So it was even crazier.
[00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.440] So I was in all the independents and then I was in the nationals.
[00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:02.920] Wow.
[00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:09.160] And then everyone always said, oh my God, you're killing it, even though I was absolutely not killing it at the time.
[00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.480] And I did leverage my network a lot.
[00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:19.480] So I do have a lot of friends who are saying models or in the creative scene and they were just drinking it and they were just like shooting it because they just like were helping me out.
[00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.840] And that really goes a long way and that's super underrated.
[00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.080] Let's kind of fast forward a little bit.
[00:06:25.080 --> 00:06:28.760] March 2023, you got on a national TV show that you filmed.
[00:06:28.760 --> 00:06:33.960] You're still working full-time at your job and you took some, you took like leave, holiday leave or vacation to do this.
[00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:34.760] What was it?
[00:06:34.760 --> 00:06:40.200] So it's a show called Foodstars with Gordon Ramsey and the business had launched for eight weeks just on social media.
[00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:41.720] You were eight weeks old.
[00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:42.440] Yeah.
[00:06:42.440 --> 00:06:52.920] We only had 1,000 followers on the Sultonic page and I get this like request from a producer from Endelmore Shine who does like The Bachelor, Married at First Sight and they were like, we're doing this new like business show.
[00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.920] It's kind of like Shark Tank meets the apprentice.
[00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:56.440] Do they live in Bondi by any chance?
[00:06:56.440 --> 00:06:57.080] How did they find you?
[00:06:57.320 --> 00:07:00.520] I have, to this day, no one's told me how they found me.
[00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:01.160] I'm dying.
[00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:02.600] I really want to know.
[00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.600] And I got it and I was like, I'm not doing this.
[00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.360] I've got a full-time job in finance.
[00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.120] I've launched this side business as a side hustle under my sister's name.
[00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.400] Like, I haven't told my company that this is mine, really.
[00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:14.520] How can I do this?
[00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:15.280] And then I went back.
[00:07:14.840 --> 00:07:16.560] So I used to work at LBMH.
[00:07:16.640 --> 00:07:23.920] My old LVMH director, who was a kind of supporter of mine, he, I like messaged him and he was like, no, no, no, you have to do it.
[00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.160] It's the most amazing brand awareness you'll ever get.
[00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:27.680] You're probably not even going to get onto the show.
[00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.600] Why don't you just go through the rounds?
[00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.200] So long story short, went through the rounds and they wanted me on the first episode of the show.
[00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:36.960] So I went to Red Bull and I said, okay, so I've been like invited onto this show.
[00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:38.400] You know, Red Bull gives you wings.
[00:07:38.400 --> 00:07:45.680] Like, why don't you let me like, this will be great for my public speaking, like development and, you know, confidence.
[00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.840] And I don't know how, but I manipulated them into thinking this was a great idea.
[00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:58.240] And I said that I will either be gone for one day if I get eliminated on the first episode, which most people do, or I'll be gone for five weeks if I win the entire show.
[00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:05.840] And then I was went to Melbourne for five weeks and ended up winning, but I didn't know I'd won for a year later because we filmed two endings.
[00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:08.800] So we filmed an ending where I won and one where I came second.
[00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:14.480] And the final episode was this big TED talk in Fed Square Theatre in Melbourne to like a lot of industry heavyweights.
[00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:21.600] Obviously Gordon Ramsey was front and center and then Janine Alice, who's like this, I guess, of Australia, one of Australia's most prominent females.
[00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:23.520] She's like the Sarah Blakely of Australia.
[00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:24.240] Yeah.
[00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:35.840] So yeah, so then it aired a year later, but I had signed an NDA, so I still had to work full-time for that whole year because no one could know that I'd gone far in the show.
[00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.920] They didn't want me to make any like life changes that would insinuate that I something's happened.
[00:08:39.920 --> 00:08:40.400] Wow.
[00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:41.760] Okay, so what did you win?
[00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:47.840] So I won $250,000 as a cash prize, so no equity stake, which is incredible, and mentorship.
[00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:48.320] Incredible.
[00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:49.440] Mentorship with Janine.
[00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:50.480] Mentorship with Janine.
[00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:56.240] However, Gordon and I actually do have a line, which is awesome, through his head of content, Justin.
[00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:57.200] Wow.
[00:08:57.520 --> 00:09:00.440] And that $250,000, what's that gone towards?
[00:09:00.680 --> 00:09:04.040] Okay, business besties, let's switch gears for a second.
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[00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:28.520] So that allows, so actually that was eaten up by a lot of legal fees because, you know, crazy things happen when you're on a national TV show.
[00:10:28.520 --> 00:10:34.680] So I had to use like defamation lawyers, food lawyers, oh, just like people coming out of the woodwork, like blackmailing me.
[00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:35.320] Crazy thing.
[00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:35.800] I'm sorry.
[00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:39.320] No, I know, but like, I didn't think this would happen.
[00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.760] But now I really empathize with, you know, people who are on like maths and the bachelor and they say that they've gone through like trauma.
[00:10:44.760 --> 00:10:47.760] I'm like, people are really strange.
[00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:59.200] And yeah, people, my product sits as in between like a medicine and a beverage because we use medicinal ingredients.
[00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:07.440] So people were just, just Karens, essentially, were just trying to go to the regulation and say, was there any issues?
[00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:08.240] But there was no issues.
[00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.440] It's an all-natural product.
[00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.800] There's absolutely none, but it just ate up legal fees.
[00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:21.680] But it also allowed me to quit my full-time job, of which the managing director of Red Bull was obviously like, we've been watching you as a national TV show for five weeks on Channel 9.
[00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:22.400] Not surprised.
[00:11:22.400 --> 00:11:24.240] This is the time to go.
[00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:28.320] And it's allowed me to actually basically go full-time into the business.
[00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:28.640] That's time.
[00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:30.640] Be able to keep bootstrapping it.
[00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:32.240] So when did you quit your job?
[00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:40.320] So literally when the finale aired, so last May, and then I contracted back for a month and a half to Red Bull.
[00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.160] So it's basically been a year today.
[00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.200] I've been full-time.
[00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.480] Oh, my goodness.
[00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.520] I am actually blown away by how much you've done in that time.
[00:11:47.520 --> 00:11:52.480] We were talking before the show, and I was like, okay, are you able to pay yourself from the business yet?
[00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.400] And tell me what your answer was.
[00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.240] So, well, the answer is no, essentially.
[00:11:58.400 --> 00:12:04.000] I could, but it would hamstrung, it would like, it would jeopardize the growth of the business.
[00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.680] So I think I want to make it known that optics are a big thing.
[00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:10.560] And I get messages all the time being like, you are killing it.
[00:12:10.560 --> 00:12:13.280] You must be making so much money personally.
[00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.520] And no, I haven't been able to pay myself a salary, but I did win prize money that I can live off.
[00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:18.680] Yeah.
[00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:20.080] So that's really important to know.
[00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:25.760] And I also had a high-paying finance job of which I invested my entire salary back into the business.
[00:12:25.760 --> 00:12:26.400] Wow.
[00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:28.480] And that's just so important to call out.
[00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.000] I think we don't talk about that enough.
[00:12:30.040 --> 00:12:42.040] And I think a lot of people start businesses or get a year or two in and they're kind of struggling to afford to live and pay themselves, even if the business is successful, particularly if you've got a consumer product and you don't have investors.
[00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:43.720] And people are surprised by that.
[00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:56.040] And I think it's really important to have this conversation so we can talk about what kind of financial buffer you need to get into this or what it takes where you need to be to actually be able to quit your full-time job or you need to find other streams of income.
[00:12:56.040 --> 00:12:59.640] Like I was doing consulting work in Female Founder World for a really long time.
[00:12:59.640 --> 00:13:05.400] And it's really only in the last year, maybe less, that I have been able to pay myself from the business.
[00:13:05.400 --> 00:13:06.120] Which is incredible.
[00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.120] And on that other stream of income, I do the same.
[00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.560] So I do some brand deals.
[00:13:09.560 --> 00:13:15.080] I've worked with LinkedIn and TikTok and Adobe and they pay me a sum of money to do content.
[00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.520] Obviously, I don't do anything that's not super aligned because I'm a business owner first, not an influencer.
[00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:28.360] But having the personal brand on the side, although it's not massive, it's actually gotten me so many business deals and then it's given me another stream of income.
[00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.840] Let's talk about having the personal brand on the side.
[00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.720] That was built while you were building the business, right?
[00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.560] You weren't like an influencer before you started.
[00:13:35.560 --> 00:13:36.040] Never was.
[00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:37.720] I was always very corporate.
[00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:44.680] So, you know, I started at Ernst Young when I was 20 in a strategy role and then LVMH, commercial finance, strategy, same as Red Bull.
[00:13:44.680 --> 00:13:48.280] It was almost impossible to be able to have that extreme influencer.
[00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:48.760] They don't want you to.
[00:13:48.920 --> 00:13:49.560] No, no, no, no.
[00:13:49.640 --> 00:13:50.440] Especially back then.
[00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.920] Like that would have been so frowned upon.
[00:13:52.920 --> 00:13:53.320] Yes.
[00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:54.360] Even I had to be really careful.
[00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:05.480] I had to screen my Instagram and Facebook when I was going for job interviews and they would screen me because I would be working in major banks and working there like Wealth division and doing divestments and doing larger strategy projects.
[00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:10.280] However, when the show, when I filmed the show, that was, I still didn't have a personal brand.
[00:14:10.280 --> 00:14:11.560] I still didn't have a TikTok.
[00:14:11.560 --> 00:14:20.720] And then Channel 9, which is the major network that the show aired on, they said, you're going to have to have something that when people watch the show, they can go to to connect with you.
[00:14:14.760 --> 00:14:22.240] And so then that's when I started TikTok.
[00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:29.360] So I've only been doing TikTok for about a year and I've just been documenting things that are real to me.
[00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.000] Like I guess there's this whole concept of document, don't create.
[00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.840] And I feel like that's really my strategy.
[00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:38.000] I'm just documenting or doing really lo-fi things, not really edited.
[00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.840] But how that's transpired is that it's obviously connected with a lot of people.
[00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.960] And I've had buy, the reason I launched in New Zealand was a buyer found me on TikTok and had been watching me.
[00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.840] And she said, I run this major health food specialty grocery chain in New Zealand.
[00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.040] I'm going to pitch you in.
[00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:53.680] And she did it.
[00:14:53.680 --> 00:14:55.280] And I still haven't gone to New Zealand.
[00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:58.160] And it's a really significant market for us now.
[00:14:58.160 --> 00:14:58.560] Incredible.
[00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:05.840] I'd love to know some of the content, just specific content ideas or things that you do or document that are resonating really well.
[00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:10.400] So a lot of it is around, so I am doing a lot of the business myself.
[00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:11.120] And so a lot of it is.
[00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.640] You don't have any employees yet?
[00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:14.080] So no full-time employees.
[00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:20.800] I have my amazing creative director, Benny, who's been there doing the packaging design and the creative stuff from day one.
[00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:22.640] And he works for equity, not for a salary?
[00:15:22.640 --> 00:15:27.760] Yep, he's got equity and he is still a freelancer full-time for other clients.
[00:15:27.760 --> 00:15:33.600] And then more recently, I've got a fractional CMO who's on an ESOP earning in on Targets.
[00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.600] And he also works for other clients.
[00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.800] So I don't have any full-time resource on a salary.
[00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:43.040] And these, both of these guys are more senior than me, which is not more senior than you.
[00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:43.760] You're Loss.
[00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.040] They're older than me.
[00:15:45.040 --> 00:15:45.600] I love that.
[00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:46.480] They're older than me.
[00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.080] And then I have my amazing TikTok girl.
[00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.120] She's fantastic and she does some TikTok content, but otherwise, no.
[00:15:51.120 --> 00:16:04.840] But what resonates on TikTok is that, so when I'm doing these larger retail deals, like with Woolworths or Chemist Warehouse or whoever it is, I document how I got them and kind of what levers I pulled to get it across the line.
[00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:12.200] So how I would pitch to them, what my pitch deck would look like, how I would not pay marketing fees and how I would trade value.
[00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.800] So instead of paying a shelf fee, it's like, okay, well, why don't I create all of these pieces of content of me going into Chemist Warehouse?
[00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:24.760] And instead, I will flood Instagram with organic content instead of having to pay you like $5,000 to be on shelf.
[00:16:24.760 --> 00:16:25.720] Yep, that makes sense.
[00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.160] So be a bit more resourceful.
[00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:28.040] Clever.
[00:16:28.040 --> 00:16:28.920] What else is working?
[00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:35.080] Aside from the fact that your product works and you're getting all of this word of mouth because people are saying it made me feel better.
[00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.800] It's like a product that I love and they're recommending it to their friends.
[00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:43.640] What are you doing that is driving this demand that's helping you sell out in stores online?
[00:16:43.640 --> 00:16:44.440] What's working?
[00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:50.440] I think everything changed when we brought a content creator in-house and that's my TikTok girl, Chessie.
[00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:51.080] Where is she based?
[00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:56.680] She's in Melbourne, but when she started, she only had 7,000 followers on her own personal TikTok.
[00:16:56.680 --> 00:17:02.520] And now she's grown her own personal TikTok to over 30,000, has a YouTube channel, and people are kind of falling in love with her.
[00:17:02.760 --> 00:17:04.520] But then she's showing up on the brand all the time.
[00:17:04.520 --> 00:17:06.360] And she was a customer beforehand.
[00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:09.320] She ordered organically, always using it with her friends.
[00:17:09.320 --> 00:17:11.160] It was showing up in her content.
[00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:18.920] And then bringing her in-house was one of the best decisions we've ever done because people are connecting to her and me.
[00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.520] And I've been able to segregate myself away from the brand a little bit.
[00:17:22.520 --> 00:17:25.240] So I'm not the sultonic girl anymore.
[00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:26.200] I'm Sophie.
[00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:34.440] And then I kind of becoming this other avenue for people to be part of the brand that's not a direct sell, if that makes sense.
[00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.800] How did you find this creator?
[00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:39.080] I'm also looking for someone to help me in Australia when I'm there.
[00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:40.600] And I'm having such a hard time.
[00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.960] All the good creators are influencers in the room right now.
[00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:55.120] So, I was really lucky that Chessie, she's dating a guy called Sam, and Sam is her sister called Tabby, and Tabby's married to Ben, my designer.
[00:17:55.120 --> 00:17:55.680] Oh, okay.
[00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.040] So, it's like kind of in the family.
[00:17:57.040 --> 00:17:57.360] Yeah.
[00:17:57.360 --> 00:17:58.960] So, I knew I was watching her from afar.
[00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:03.040] I'd never had a relationship with her, so I didn't know her, but I knew of her.
[00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:05.760] And what kind of stuff was working in terms of content?
[00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:14.640] It's interestingly entertainment, so skit stuff, nothing that's like really selling, but it still leads to sales.
[00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.960] It does lead to, it leads to mass awareness, and we're seeing that translate in retail.
[00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:25.040] So, yes, we have e-commerce and we go pretty well on Amazon, but 95% of the business is retail.
[00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:36.080] So, we have a lot of physical presence, and so people obviously see the brand on TikTok and then they go to your Woolworths or they go to their like health food store and then they just try it.
[00:18:36.080 --> 00:18:37.440] And we're seeing that convert.
[00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:46.320] And with the London stuff, why we were the best selling, I honestly, the only thing I can think of is TikTok because it's the only thing that's global.
[00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:49.040] We haven't done any marketing, we've done no paid, we've done nothing.
[00:18:49.040 --> 00:18:50.160] You've done no paid?
[00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:54.240] Not in not outside of Australia, no, so not in New Zealand or UK or US.
[00:18:54.240 --> 00:19:04.160] Talk to me about your retail strategy, your wholesale strategy, how you're getting these big retailers on board, the pitch process, just advice for somebody else who wants to get into some of these big stockers.
[00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.960] So, you need to reach out to the buyer and you need to be incessant.
[00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:14.320] Like, you need to keep reaching out, and you need to find the right contact for your category, and you need to understand when your category's range review is, and that's the most important thing.
[00:19:14.320 --> 00:19:21.280] So, for example, Whole Foods in the US, my category's range review isn't till April of 2026.
[00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:29.720] So, I now need to start planning for that and planting all the seeds to be able to A, be invited to that range review and B, be successful.
[00:19:29.360 --> 00:19:35.240] So these massive retail deals, they take a long time, a lot longer than people think.
[00:19:35.560 --> 00:19:43.000] In Australia, you can be a little bit more strategic in the sense that if someone really believes in you, they will go outside of range review and they can put you in.
[00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:52.280] So for example, Woolworths Metro, I was put in within three weeks just before Christmas, and that was unheard of, but that was because I had the opportunity to pitch to the general manager.
[00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:59.640] So it's a lot of saying yes to things, networking, figuring out the buyer, just like getting rid of your ego and reaching out.
[00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:02.440] That sounds exactly the same as us trying to find paid partners.
[00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.960] Like it's a lot of just messaging people on LinkedIn, trying to find the right contact.
[00:20:06.280 --> 00:20:07.080] It's really humbling.
[00:20:08.280 --> 00:20:10.760] I've realized in America, wow, everyone's doing it.
[00:20:10.760 --> 00:20:14.600] The amount I get hit up in America from other people is different.
[00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:15.400] The attitude is different.
[00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.280] And the UK.
[00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.080] It's like light and day.
[00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:20.600] Let's talk about global expansion.
[00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:27.000] What's been working for you is you've been launching into different markets because you're in four different international markets now.
[00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:27.560] Yes.
[00:20:27.560 --> 00:20:30.200] So what's been working is still a retail strategy.
[00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.840] D2C has been really good in America actually because people use, people buy better.
[00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.280] We have a warehouse here.
[00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:38.520] So I'm just finalizing the warehouse setup.
[00:20:38.520 --> 00:20:41.560] The problem has been getting my container in with the tariffs.
[00:20:41.560 --> 00:20:47.560] So I've been selling in beauty stores in Manhattan and Williamsburg for over a year, just but air freighting in.
[00:20:47.560 --> 00:20:52.120] And then I've got interest from a lot of other stores, but I can barely honestly service them.
[00:20:52.120 --> 00:21:02.120] Like even the recovery facilities here, like the ice bath places in New York, they're selling out of the product and I can't, I just can't restock them because it's really hard to get it into the country right now.
[00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:03.560] Where are you manufacturing?
[00:21:03.560 --> 00:21:04.520] All in South Korea.
[00:21:04.520 --> 00:21:07.400] So it has to be there because that's where our farm is.
[00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.880] That's where like our extraction happens.
[00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:12.440] And so, yeah, it's where the magic happens.
[00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.480] Okay, so then the plan is to have a warehouse in the US, another warehouse and distribution in the UK.
[00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:21.040] So I've already got the warehouse set up in the UK and that's operational.
[00:21:21.520 --> 00:21:22.800] And you'll ship everything.
[00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:26.400] So it'll take three months or something like that for a product to get here.
[00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:26.880] Is that how long?
[00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:31.120] So it takes about five weeks on sea, and every container is around 50,000 units.
[00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:32.640] Okay, so interesting.
[00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:40.640] The last thing I want to ask you, Sophie, is for a resource recommendation, something that's been helping you as you've been building Sultonic that you recommend to other people who want to be founders as well.
[00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:50.880] So my, it's not like a physical resource, but it's finding a friend who is a lawyer and using them and bouncing off them constantly.
[00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.520] So my sister's a lawyer and both my parents are.
[00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:53.920] Lucky.
[00:21:53.920 --> 00:22:06.720] And I think it's really underrated just using your friends who are in fields that can be helpful to you and just relying just on one person and not getting too much advice when you're just being quite specific on advice.
[00:22:07.040 --> 00:22:08.720] That has been a game changer for me.
[00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.560] And just trusting that, it's just made me move a lot faster with deals.
[00:22:12.560 --> 00:22:18.400] And I'm always like looking at contract negotiation and I always just need a once over.
[00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.000] So yeah, it's leveraging your friends.
[00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:20.720] I love that.
[00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.920] Thank you so much for coming on the show and congratulations on everything you've built.
[00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.360] Thanks so much for having me.
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