Debug Information
Processing Details
- VTT File: Skeptoid_ChocolateMyths_Ep988.vtt
- Processing Time: September 11, 2025 at 02:39 PM
- Total Chunks: 1
- Transcript Length: 19,976 characters
- Caption Count: 182 captions
Prompts Used
Prompt 1: Context Setup
You are an expert data extractor tasked with analyzing a podcast transcript.
I will provide you with part 1 of 1 from a podcast transcript.
I will then ask you to extract different types of information from this content in subsequent messages. Please confirm you have received and understood the transcript content.
Transcript section:
[00:00:03.360 --> 00:00:07.360] Do you love chocolate in spite of all the terrible things you've heard about it?
[00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.320] Or maybe are they part of the reason you love it?
[00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:11.760] It's so unhealthy.
[00:00:11.760 --> 00:00:13.040] It makes you fat.
[00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:14.400] It gives you cavities.
[00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.080] It's bad for your heart.
[00:00:16.080 --> 00:00:25.760] Today, we're going to go through a bunch of these popular chocolate myths and see which of them can stand up to the scrutiny of our skeptical eye.
[00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:29.920] That's coming up right now on Skeptoid.
[00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:41.040] Join us for an exclusive three-day exploration of historic Death Valley.
[00:00:41.040 --> 00:00:48.320] From October 21st to 24th, we'll take you from Las Vegas deep into the heart of this rugged, otherworldly landscape.
[00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.240] All transportation, lodging, and meals are included.
[00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.880] Your guides will be Skeptoids Brian Dunning.
[00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:56.720] Hey, I know that guy, he's me.
[00:00:56.720 --> 00:01:00.000] And Death Valley expert, geologist Andrew Dunning.
[00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:08.800] Together, they'll lead you to world-famous sites like Badwater Basin and the Artist's Palette, plus hidden gems that you won't find in any guidebook.
[00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:13.360] This year's trip features all new destinations with minimal overlap from last year.
[00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:18.560] And here's a bonus: Skepticamp Las Vegas begins the same evening we return to Las Vegas.
[00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:23.760] Make it a two-for-one trip and stick around to hear me talk about my visit to Area 51.
[00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.280] Details at skeptoid.com/slash events.
[00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.040] Spots are very limited.
[00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.560] Secure yours today.
[00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:38.560] Email help at skeptoid.com with questions and join the conversation with fellow adventurers at skeptoid.com/slash discord.
[00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.560] Death Valley is calling.
[00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.120] Are you ready to answer?
[00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:48.960] This show is supported by Odoo.
[00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:54.720] When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing.
[00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:56.480] ODU solves this.
[00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:03.080] It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales.
[00:02:03.080 --> 00:02:07.720] Odo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way.
[00:02:07.720 --> 00:02:10.680] You can save money without missing out on the features you need.
[00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.640] Check out Odo at Odoo.com.
[00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:16.200] That's Odoo.com.
[00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.200] You're listening to Skeptoid.
[00:02:18.200 --> 00:02:21.560] I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
[00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:36.920] Chocolate Myths Welcome to the show that separates fact from fiction, science from pseudoscience, real history from fake history, and helps us all make better life decisions by knowing what's real and what's not.
[00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:52.280] I want to welcome all of you today for coming here to Skeptoid, which you did because you know that May 15th is National Chocolate Chip Day, which is totally a real holiday and totally not made up by the chocolate companies.
[00:02:52.280 --> 00:03:01.640] The day is in honor of Ruth Wakefield of Massachusetts, who in 1937 added chunks of Nestle chocolate to a batch of cookies.
[00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:13.000] In exchange for a lifetime supply of chocolate, she sold them the right to put her recipe on their packaging, which they named for the place she worked, the Toll House Inn.
[00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:20.440] I'm going to start with a really quick brief on chocolate, as these basics impact quite a few of our myths.
[00:03:20.440 --> 00:03:23.560] Chocolate comes from the seeds of the cacao tree.
[00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:31.720] According to DNA studies, this tree originates around Ecuador and grows natively from southern Mexico to the Amazon basin.
[00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:46.400] They were originally cultivated by humans in Peru and Ecuador, producing the modern Nacional cocoa bean, originally the dominant variety in the world, but today the market is dominated by various hybrids, which are all very similar.
[00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:57.600] Mesoamerican cultures have been using the cacao tree as a food source for more than 5,000 years, and it was introduced to Europe as a beverage in the 16th century.
[00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:09.920] The seeds are fermented, dried, roasted, and ground to form cocoa mass, which is the basic product that you can then do different things with to make various chocolate products.
[00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.000] Okay, got it?
[00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:12.800] Great.
[00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:23.280] So, now that chocolate invades every part of our lives, and rightfully so, we, being humans, have to ruin everything with conspiracy theories and false claims.
[00:04:23.280 --> 00:04:27.760] So, today, I present a roundup of some of those you're most likely to hear.
[00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:28.800] Beginning with.
[00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.200] Myth number one: Chocolate is high in caffeine.
[00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:43.280] The caffeine comes from the brown cocoa solids in the cocoa bean, so the darker your chocolate, the more caffeine it contains.
[00:04:43.280 --> 00:04:45.680] White chocolate contains none.
[00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.960] Compared to coffee, chocolate has much less.
[00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:53.280] A standard Hershey's bar gives you 9 milligrams of caffeine.
[00:04:53.280 --> 00:04:57.920] The average cup of brewed coffee gives you 10 times that amount.
[00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.480] Myth number two: Chocolate causes acne.
[00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.760] We still don't have a very clear answer on this.
[00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:10.400] Findings of studies have gone both ways.
[00:05:10.400 --> 00:05:15.440] However, all of these studies have been very small, so none of them can be considered definitive.
[00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:24.000] What we can say is that genetics plays by far the largest role, as that's what determines the size of our skin's sebaceous glands.
[00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:33.400] Regardless, your overall diet's total intake of sugar, fat, and dairy is always going to be more important than any one given food.
[00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:40.600] Myth number three: chocolate comes originally from Africa.
[00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:48.760] While it's true that most chocolate comes from Africa today, it didn't come from there originally, as we discussed in the intro.
[00:05:48.760 --> 00:06:00.200] In the 1800s, Portuguese merchants brought cacao trees from Brazil to Ghana, and plantations quickly spread to grow the valuable commodity as demand exploded in Europe.
[00:06:00.200 --> 00:06:13.000] Today, most chocolate comes from Ivory Coast and Ghana, where growing conditions and labor and economic conditions, more on that soon, were a perfect fit for the crop.
[00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:20.760] Myth number four: you should only eat chocolate made from cacao, not from cocoa.
[00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:22.440] This is really dumb.
[00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.320] Cacao and cocoa are exactly the same thing.
[00:06:25.320 --> 00:06:33.400] The tree is usually called the cacao tree, and the bean, which is the roasted seed of the cacao, is usually called the cocoa bean.
[00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:42.120] But as we see every day, clever marketing people go, aha, cacao is a much more exotic and exclusive sounding word than cocoa.
[00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.600] We're going to go with that on our packaging.
[00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.120] So, of course, you're going to hear that cacao is better than cocoa.
[00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.440] They're exactly the same thing.
[00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:58.040] Myth number five: most chocolate is unethically sourced.
[00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.320] So, the chocolate industry in Africa is far bigger than that in South America.
[00:07:03.320 --> 00:07:08.440] So, by default, all the major chocolate companies get their product from Africa.
[00:07:08.440 --> 00:07:13.320] Child labor is a much bigger problem in Africa than it is in South America.
[00:07:13.320 --> 00:07:22.080] But the major companies are those that face the most scrutiny and employ supply chain auditing firms to ensure that their product is ethically sourced.
[00:07:22.400 --> 00:07:30.640] Usually the biggest African suppliers have the fewest labor violations, but there are many more smaller producers than bigger ones.
[00:07:30.640 --> 00:07:37.040] Bottom line is it's complicated and nearly impossible to enforce or even to investigate.
[00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:45.600] I'm calling this one a myth because there's really no broad brush with which you can accurately paint an answer to this question.
[00:07:47.520 --> 00:07:52.320] Myth number six, white chocolate isn't real chocolate.
[00:07:52.640 --> 00:08:00.160] People can debate their own definitions all day long, but white chocolate is made from cocoa beans, so it's chocolate.
[00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:06.000] Cocoa beans contain fat called cocoa butter, and this is what's used to make white chocolate.
[00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.720] The brown cocoa solids are not used.
[00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:17.440] In the United States, white chocolate can be called that so long as it's at least 20% cocoa butter and 14% milk solids.
[00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:34.960] A quick reminder for everyone, you're listening to Skeptoid, revealing the true science and true history behind urban legends every week since 2006, with now over a thousand episodes.
[00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:42.880] It's the consistency of short single-subject programs that have kept so many of you listening for 19 years.
[00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.040] But occasionally, some of you have asked for a little bit more.
[00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:49.200] And so, we're now offering it.
[00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:57.360] If you become a premium member, supporting the show with a monthly micropayment of as little as $5, you get more Skeptoid.
[00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:03.240] The premium version of the show is not only ad-free, it has extended content.
[00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.120] The episodes are a few minutes longer.
[00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:10.600] We get rid of the ads and we replace them with more skeptoid.
[00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:14.040] The extended premium show available now.
[00:09:14.040 --> 00:09:18.920] Come to skeptoid.com and click go premium.
[00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.480] Myth number seven: chocolate will kill your dog.
[00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:38.680] Chocolate actually can kill your dog, but I'm still classifying this as a myth because it takes a lot of chocolate before your dog's life is in danger.
[00:09:38.680 --> 00:09:40.600] Deaths are rare.
[00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:48.040] Chocolate contains caffeine and theobromine, both of which can cause arrhythmia, seizures, and hyperthermia.
[00:09:48.040 --> 00:09:54.040] Symptoms to look out for include vomiting and tremors, plus other symptoms that are not so obvious.
[00:09:54.040 --> 00:09:57.880] If your dog doesn't display those, he's probably just fine.
[00:09:57.880 --> 00:10:04.840] Toxicity depends on the dose, which depends on the size of your dog and the amount and type of chocolate.
[00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:11.000] Myth number eight: chocolate will give you cavities.
[00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:18.040] Chocolate is high in sugar, so it contributes to cavities no more than any other food with that much sugar.
[00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:25.720] However, sticky ingredients like nougat or caramel can get stuck in your teeth, giving them longer to feed the bacteria.
[00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.960] Dark chocolate has less sugar, so is less harmful to teeth.
[00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:35.400] Myth number nine: chocolate is fattening.
[00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:43.960] Chocolate does contain a lot of sugar and fat, but they won't expand your waistline any more than they would if you ate them as part of some other food.
[00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:49.120] Chocolate makes you fat in exactly the same way grapes and avocados do.
[00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:55.200] Myth number 10, chocolate gives you energy.
[00:10:55.520 --> 00:10:56.800] Definitely true.
[00:10:56.800 --> 00:11:04.080] Chocolate is loaded with sugar, fat, caffeine, and theobromine, so it's a great snack before working out or playing sports.
[00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:10.320] However, there's nothing special about chocolate that you wouldn't get from any other food containing those same nutrients.
[00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.000] Myth number 11, chocolate is good for heart health.
[00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.280] Don't turn to chocolate for heart health.
[00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:27.520] Some people point out that darker chocolates are high in a flavonoid called flavonols that are associated with a lower risk of heart disease.
[00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:34.080] However, it's not enough to have any noticeable health effect, even if you ate massive amounts of chocolate.
[00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.080] Myth number 12, chocolate has no nutritional value.
[00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:43.360] Everything in chocolate has nutritional value.
[00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.440] You need sugar, you need fat.
[00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.240] Chocolate also has lots of essential minerals.
[00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.920] We can't say it often enough.
[00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:54.240] Every food can be part of a healthy diet or of an unhealthy diet.
[00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:00.000] The only thing that matters is that your diet generally doesn't overindulge in too much of anything.
[00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.000] Myth number 13, chocolate raises your cholesterol.
[00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.960] Just eating more chocolate is unlikely to have any effect on your cholesterol.
[00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:26.160] But what we've found is that replacing about 270 of your discretionary daily calories a day with a combination of almonds, dark chocolate, and cocoa powder resulted in a significant reduction in LDL, the bad cholesterol.
[00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:29.760] By themselves, only almonds had a similar effect.
[00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.360] So, again, don't turn to chocolate for heart health.
[00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.040] Myth number 14, chocolate is addictive.
[00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.280] It kind of is, actually.
[00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:50.200] Studies have found that specific foods, including chocolate, can trigger the brain's reward system, causing compulsive urges.
[00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:59.240] The Yale Food Addiction Scale has found that chocolate is second only to pizza, as being rated as most problematic by people with food addictions.
[00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:04.440] Also ranking up there, ice cream, french fries, and chips.
[00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:10.760] Myth number 15, diabetics can't eat chocolate.
[00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:18.200] Yes, they can, but like with all foods, diabetics need to pay closer attention to how much and how often they eat chocolate.
[00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.480] Simply eat it in moderation, and not too often.
[00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:25.000] Avoid white chocolate, and stick to darker when you do eat it.
[00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:32.840] Darker chocolate with a higher cocoa content, say 70% or more, may improve insulin sensitivity.
[00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:39.240] Myth number 16, white chocolate is healthier than milk chocolate.
[00:13:39.560 --> 00:13:41.640] This is definitely not true.
[00:13:41.640 --> 00:13:45.080] White chocolate is basically just chocolate without the good stuff.
[00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:49.320] Those cocoa solids are where all the flavanols and antioxidants are.
[00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.200] White chocolate is just a lot of fat and sugar.
[00:13:52.200 --> 00:14:01.960] Now, fat and sugar are indeed nutrients, so if you eat it as part of your normal daily intake of those things, it's a perfectly fine part of your diet.
[00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:09.320] Myth number 17, dark chocolate is healthier than milk chocolate.
[00:14:09.640 --> 00:14:10.680] Not really.
[00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:16.800] Yes, dark chocolate has more of those flavanols and antioxidants, just not enough to make any meaningful difference.
[00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:24.640] Milk chocolate, on the other hand, has more milk solids containing calcium, protein, vitamins, potassium, and more.
[00:14:24.640 --> 00:14:27.920] But also, not enough to make any meaningful difference.
[00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:31.120] Look, no chocolate is a magical superfood.
[00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.760] Pick the kind you like the best and enjoy it in moderation.
[00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:38.960] Myth number 18.
[00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.160] There is no chocolate Brian won't eat.
[00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.960] It turns out this myth is false.
[00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.680] There is indeed a chocolate Brian won't eat.
[00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:53.840] When I was a kid, someone gave us these gold foil-wrapped chocolate coins, probably for Easter.
[00:14:53.840 --> 00:15:04.960] I don't know if they were mostly just wax or if they'd gone bad or were just incredibly cheaply made, but to this day I can't stand the thought of eating chocolate coins that come in foil wrappers.
[00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.800] They were disgusting.
[00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:10.000] Call me crazy, I can still taste them.
[00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:14.640] So, now you know all there is to know about chocolate myths.
[00:15:14.640 --> 00:15:19.520] Some are true, some are false, but most aren't enough so that it makes any real difference.
[00:15:19.520 --> 00:15:20.880] Enjoy your chocolate.
[00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:26.720] Don't eat too much of it, like I do, and be sure to do what I say and not what I do.
[00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:36.080] We continue with a topic we've only now just breached: wax in chocolate, in the ad-free and extended premium feed.
[00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:41.920] To access it, become a supporter at skeptoid.com/slash go premium.
[00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:58.400] A great big skeptoid shout out to our premium supporters, including Gail Knapp, Abra Sonnenstein, Mad Brad, Virginia's only skeptic, and of course, Marcos.
[00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:11.400] Check out our 40-minute movie, Principles of Curiosity, that teaches the basics of scientific skepticism and critical thinking in a far-ranging journey that takes you from the depths of Death Valley to the highest points in space.
[00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:16.520] It's free on YouTube and at principlesofcuriosity.com.
[00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.160] And follow us on your favorite social media for even more great content.
[00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:27.640] You'll find both Skeptoid and me, Brian Dunning, on all your favorite social media platforms.
[00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.600] Skeptoid is a production of Skeptoid Media.
[00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.600] Director of Operations and Tinfoil Hat Counter is Kathy Reitmeyer.
[00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.120] Marketing guru and Illuminati liaison is Jake Young.
[00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.720] Production Management and All Things Audio by Will McCamblis.
[00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.880] Music is by Lee Sanders.
[00:16:43.880 --> 00:16:47.000] Researched and written by me, Brian Dunning.
[00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.720] Listen to Skeptoid for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or iHeart.
[00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.240] You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported program.
[00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.840] I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
[00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:08.040] From PRX.
Prompt 2: Key Takeaways
Now please extract the key takeaways from the transcript content I provided.
Extract the most important key takeaways from this part of the conversation. Use a single sentence statement (the key takeaway) rather than milquetoast descriptions like "the hosts discuss...".
Limit the key takeaways to a maximum of 3. The key takeaways should be insightful and knowledge-additive.
IMPORTANT: Return ONLY valid JSON, no explanations or markdown. Ensure:
- All strings are properly quoted and escaped
- No trailing commas
- All braces and brackets are balanced
Format: {"key_takeaways": ["takeaway 1", "takeaway 2"]}
Prompt 3: Segments
Now identify 2-4 distinct topical segments from this part of the conversation.
For each segment, identify:
- Descriptive title (3-6 words)
- START timestamp when this topic begins (HH:MM:SS format)
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Most important Key takeaway from that segment. Key takeaway must be specific and knowledge-additive.
- Brief summary of the discussion
IMPORTANT: The timestamp should mark when the topic/segment STARTS, not a range. Look for topic transitions and conversation shifts.
Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted, no trailing commas:
{
"segments": [
{
"segment_title": "Topic Discussion",
"timestamp": "01:15:30",
"key_takeaway": "main point from this segment",
"segment_summary": "brief description of what was discussed"
}
]
}
Timestamp format: HH:MM:SS (e.g., 00:05:30, 01:22:45) marking the START of each segment.
Now scan the transcript content I provided for ACTUAL mentions of specific media titles:
Find explicit mentions of:
- Books (with specific titles)
- Movies (with specific titles)
- TV Shows (with specific titles)
- Music/Songs (with specific titles)
DO NOT include:
- Websites, URLs, or web services
- Other podcasts or podcast names
IMPORTANT:
- Only include items explicitly mentioned by name. Do not invent titles.
- Valid categories are: "Book", "Movie", "TV Show", "Music"
- Include the exact phrase where each item was mentioned
- Find the nearest proximate timestamp where it appears in the conversation
- THE TIMESTAMP OF THE MEDIA MENTION IS IMPORTANT - DO NOT INVENT TIMESTAMPS AND DO NOT MISATTRIBUTE TIMESTAMPS
- Double check that the timestamp is accurate - a timestamp will NEVER be greater than the total length of the audio
- Timestamps are given as ranges, e.g. 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:46.720. Use the EARLIER of the 2 timestamps in the range.
Return ONLY valid JSON. Ensure all strings are properly quoted and escaped, no trailing commas:
{
"media_mentions": [
{
"title": "Exact Title as Mentioned",
"category": "Book",
"author_artist": "N/A",
"context": "Brief context of why it was mentioned",
"context_phrase": "The exact sentence or phrase where it was mentioned",
"timestamp": "estimated time like 01:15:30"
}
]
}
If no media is mentioned, return: {"media_mentions": []}
Full Transcript
[00:00:03.360 --> 00:00:07.360] Do you love chocolate in spite of all the terrible things you've heard about it?
[00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.320] Or maybe are they part of the reason you love it?
[00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:11.760] It's so unhealthy.
[00:00:11.760 --> 00:00:13.040] It makes you fat.
[00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:14.400] It gives you cavities.
[00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.080] It's bad for your heart.
[00:00:16.080 --> 00:00:25.760] Today, we're going to go through a bunch of these popular chocolate myths and see which of them can stand up to the scrutiny of our skeptical eye.
[00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:29.920] That's coming up right now on Skeptoid.
[00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:41.040] Join us for an exclusive three-day exploration of historic Death Valley.
[00:00:41.040 --> 00:00:48.320] From October 21st to 24th, we'll take you from Las Vegas deep into the heart of this rugged, otherworldly landscape.
[00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.240] All transportation, lodging, and meals are included.
[00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.880] Your guides will be Skeptoids Brian Dunning.
[00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:56.720] Hey, I know that guy, he's me.
[00:00:56.720 --> 00:01:00.000] And Death Valley expert, geologist Andrew Dunning.
[00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:08.800] Together, they'll lead you to world-famous sites like Badwater Basin and the Artist's Palette, plus hidden gems that you won't find in any guidebook.
[00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:13.360] This year's trip features all new destinations with minimal overlap from last year.
[00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:18.560] And here's a bonus: Skepticamp Las Vegas begins the same evening we return to Las Vegas.
[00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:23.760] Make it a two-for-one trip and stick around to hear me talk about my visit to Area 51.
[00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.280] Details at skeptoid.com/slash events.
[00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.040] Spots are very limited.
[00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.560] Secure yours today.
[00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:38.560] Email help at skeptoid.com with questions and join the conversation with fellow adventurers at skeptoid.com/slash discord.
[00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.560] Death Valley is calling.
[00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.120] Are you ready to answer?
[00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:48.960] This show is supported by Odoo.
[00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:54.720] When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing.
[00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:56.480] ODU solves this.
[00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:03.080] It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales.
[00:02:03.080 --> 00:02:07.720] Odo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way.
[00:02:07.720 --> 00:02:10.680] You can save money without missing out on the features you need.
[00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.640] Check out Odo at Odoo.com.
[00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:16.200] That's Odoo.com.
[00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.200] You're listening to Skeptoid.
[00:02:18.200 --> 00:02:21.560] I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
[00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:36.920] Chocolate Myths Welcome to the show that separates fact from fiction, science from pseudoscience, real history from fake history, and helps us all make better life decisions by knowing what's real and what's not.
[00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:52.280] I want to welcome all of you today for coming here to Skeptoid, which you did because you know that May 15th is National Chocolate Chip Day, which is totally a real holiday and totally not made up by the chocolate companies.
[00:02:52.280 --> 00:03:01.640] The day is in honor of Ruth Wakefield of Massachusetts, who in 1937 added chunks of Nestle chocolate to a batch of cookies.
[00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:13.000] In exchange for a lifetime supply of chocolate, she sold them the right to put her recipe on their packaging, which they named for the place she worked, the Toll House Inn.
[00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:20.440] I'm going to start with a really quick brief on chocolate, as these basics impact quite a few of our myths.
[00:03:20.440 --> 00:03:23.560] Chocolate comes from the seeds of the cacao tree.
[00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:31.720] According to DNA studies, this tree originates around Ecuador and grows natively from southern Mexico to the Amazon basin.
[00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:46.400] They were originally cultivated by humans in Peru and Ecuador, producing the modern Nacional cocoa bean, originally the dominant variety in the world, but today the market is dominated by various hybrids, which are all very similar.
[00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:57.600] Mesoamerican cultures have been using the cacao tree as a food source for more than 5,000 years, and it was introduced to Europe as a beverage in the 16th century.
[00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:09.920] The seeds are fermented, dried, roasted, and ground to form cocoa mass, which is the basic product that you can then do different things with to make various chocolate products.
[00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.000] Okay, got it?
[00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:12.800] Great.
[00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:23.280] So, now that chocolate invades every part of our lives, and rightfully so, we, being humans, have to ruin everything with conspiracy theories and false claims.
[00:04:23.280 --> 00:04:27.760] So, today, I present a roundup of some of those you're most likely to hear.
[00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:28.800] Beginning with.
[00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.200] Myth number one: Chocolate is high in caffeine.
[00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:43.280] The caffeine comes from the brown cocoa solids in the cocoa bean, so the darker your chocolate, the more caffeine it contains.
[00:04:43.280 --> 00:04:45.680] White chocolate contains none.
[00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.960] Compared to coffee, chocolate has much less.
[00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:53.280] A standard Hershey's bar gives you 9 milligrams of caffeine.
[00:04:53.280 --> 00:04:57.920] The average cup of brewed coffee gives you 10 times that amount.
[00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:04.480] Myth number two: Chocolate causes acne.
[00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.760] We still don't have a very clear answer on this.
[00:05:07.760 --> 00:05:10.400] Findings of studies have gone both ways.
[00:05:10.400 --> 00:05:15.440] However, all of these studies have been very small, so none of them can be considered definitive.
[00:05:15.440 --> 00:05:24.000] What we can say is that genetics plays by far the largest role, as that's what determines the size of our skin's sebaceous glands.
[00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:33.400] Regardless, your overall diet's total intake of sugar, fat, and dairy is always going to be more important than any one given food.
[00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:40.600] Myth number three: chocolate comes originally from Africa.
[00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:48.760] While it's true that most chocolate comes from Africa today, it didn't come from there originally, as we discussed in the intro.
[00:05:48.760 --> 00:06:00.200] In the 1800s, Portuguese merchants brought cacao trees from Brazil to Ghana, and plantations quickly spread to grow the valuable commodity as demand exploded in Europe.
[00:06:00.200 --> 00:06:13.000] Today, most chocolate comes from Ivory Coast and Ghana, where growing conditions and labor and economic conditions, more on that soon, were a perfect fit for the crop.
[00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:20.760] Myth number four: you should only eat chocolate made from cacao, not from cocoa.
[00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:22.440] This is really dumb.
[00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.320] Cacao and cocoa are exactly the same thing.
[00:06:25.320 --> 00:06:33.400] The tree is usually called the cacao tree, and the bean, which is the roasted seed of the cacao, is usually called the cocoa bean.
[00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:42.120] But as we see every day, clever marketing people go, aha, cacao is a much more exotic and exclusive sounding word than cocoa.
[00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.600] We're going to go with that on our packaging.
[00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.120] So, of course, you're going to hear that cacao is better than cocoa.
[00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.440] They're exactly the same thing.
[00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:58.040] Myth number five: most chocolate is unethically sourced.
[00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.320] So, the chocolate industry in Africa is far bigger than that in South America.
[00:07:03.320 --> 00:07:08.440] So, by default, all the major chocolate companies get their product from Africa.
[00:07:08.440 --> 00:07:13.320] Child labor is a much bigger problem in Africa than it is in South America.
[00:07:13.320 --> 00:07:22.080] But the major companies are those that face the most scrutiny and employ supply chain auditing firms to ensure that their product is ethically sourced.
[00:07:22.400 --> 00:07:30.640] Usually the biggest African suppliers have the fewest labor violations, but there are many more smaller producers than bigger ones.
[00:07:30.640 --> 00:07:37.040] Bottom line is it's complicated and nearly impossible to enforce or even to investigate.
[00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:45.600] I'm calling this one a myth because there's really no broad brush with which you can accurately paint an answer to this question.
[00:07:47.520 --> 00:07:52.320] Myth number six, white chocolate isn't real chocolate.
[00:07:52.640 --> 00:08:00.160] People can debate their own definitions all day long, but white chocolate is made from cocoa beans, so it's chocolate.
[00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:06.000] Cocoa beans contain fat called cocoa butter, and this is what's used to make white chocolate.
[00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.720] The brown cocoa solids are not used.
[00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:17.440] In the United States, white chocolate can be called that so long as it's at least 20% cocoa butter and 14% milk solids.
[00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:34.960] A quick reminder for everyone, you're listening to Skeptoid, revealing the true science and true history behind urban legends every week since 2006, with now over a thousand episodes.
[00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:42.880] It's the consistency of short single-subject programs that have kept so many of you listening for 19 years.
[00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.040] But occasionally, some of you have asked for a little bit more.
[00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:49.200] And so, we're now offering it.
[00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:57.360] If you become a premium member, supporting the show with a monthly micropayment of as little as $5, you get more Skeptoid.
[00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:03.240] The premium version of the show is not only ad-free, it has extended content.
[00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.120] The episodes are a few minutes longer.
[00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:10.600] We get rid of the ads and we replace them with more skeptoid.
[00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:14.040] The extended premium show available now.
[00:09:14.040 --> 00:09:18.920] Come to skeptoid.com and click go premium.
[00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.480] Myth number seven: chocolate will kill your dog.
[00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:38.680] Chocolate actually can kill your dog, but I'm still classifying this as a myth because it takes a lot of chocolate before your dog's life is in danger.
[00:09:38.680 --> 00:09:40.600] Deaths are rare.
[00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:48.040] Chocolate contains caffeine and theobromine, both of which can cause arrhythmia, seizures, and hyperthermia.
[00:09:48.040 --> 00:09:54.040] Symptoms to look out for include vomiting and tremors, plus other symptoms that are not so obvious.
[00:09:54.040 --> 00:09:57.880] If your dog doesn't display those, he's probably just fine.
[00:09:57.880 --> 00:10:04.840] Toxicity depends on the dose, which depends on the size of your dog and the amount and type of chocolate.
[00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:11.000] Myth number eight: chocolate will give you cavities.
[00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:18.040] Chocolate is high in sugar, so it contributes to cavities no more than any other food with that much sugar.
[00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:25.720] However, sticky ingredients like nougat or caramel can get stuck in your teeth, giving them longer to feed the bacteria.
[00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.960] Dark chocolate has less sugar, so is less harmful to teeth.
[00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:35.400] Myth number nine: chocolate is fattening.
[00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:43.960] Chocolate does contain a lot of sugar and fat, but they won't expand your waistline any more than they would if you ate them as part of some other food.
[00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:49.120] Chocolate makes you fat in exactly the same way grapes and avocados do.
[00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:55.200] Myth number 10, chocolate gives you energy.
[00:10:55.520 --> 00:10:56.800] Definitely true.
[00:10:56.800 --> 00:11:04.080] Chocolate is loaded with sugar, fat, caffeine, and theobromine, so it's a great snack before working out or playing sports.
[00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:10.320] However, there's nothing special about chocolate that you wouldn't get from any other food containing those same nutrients.
[00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.000] Myth number 11, chocolate is good for heart health.
[00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.280] Don't turn to chocolate for heart health.
[00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:27.520] Some people point out that darker chocolates are high in a flavonoid called flavonols that are associated with a lower risk of heart disease.
[00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:34.080] However, it's not enough to have any noticeable health effect, even if you ate massive amounts of chocolate.
[00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.080] Myth number 12, chocolate has no nutritional value.
[00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:43.360] Everything in chocolate has nutritional value.
[00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.440] You need sugar, you need fat.
[00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.240] Chocolate also has lots of essential minerals.
[00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.920] We can't say it often enough.
[00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:54.240] Every food can be part of a healthy diet or of an unhealthy diet.
[00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:00.000] The only thing that matters is that your diet generally doesn't overindulge in too much of anything.
[00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.000] Myth number 13, chocolate raises your cholesterol.
[00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.960] Just eating more chocolate is unlikely to have any effect on your cholesterol.
[00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:26.160] But what we've found is that replacing about 270 of your discretionary daily calories a day with a combination of almonds, dark chocolate, and cocoa powder resulted in a significant reduction in LDL, the bad cholesterol.
[00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:29.760] By themselves, only almonds had a similar effect.
[00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.360] So, again, don't turn to chocolate for heart health.
[00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.040] Myth number 14, chocolate is addictive.
[00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.280] It kind of is, actually.
[00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:50.200] Studies have found that specific foods, including chocolate, can trigger the brain's reward system, causing compulsive urges.
[00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:59.240] The Yale Food Addiction Scale has found that chocolate is second only to pizza, as being rated as most problematic by people with food addictions.
[00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:04.440] Also ranking up there, ice cream, french fries, and chips.
[00:13:06.040 --> 00:13:10.760] Myth number 15, diabetics can't eat chocolate.
[00:13:10.760 --> 00:13:18.200] Yes, they can, but like with all foods, diabetics need to pay closer attention to how much and how often they eat chocolate.
[00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.480] Simply eat it in moderation, and not too often.
[00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:25.000] Avoid white chocolate, and stick to darker when you do eat it.
[00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:32.840] Darker chocolate with a higher cocoa content, say 70% or more, may improve insulin sensitivity.
[00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:39.240] Myth number 16, white chocolate is healthier than milk chocolate.
[00:13:39.560 --> 00:13:41.640] This is definitely not true.
[00:13:41.640 --> 00:13:45.080] White chocolate is basically just chocolate without the good stuff.
[00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:49.320] Those cocoa solids are where all the flavanols and antioxidants are.
[00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.200] White chocolate is just a lot of fat and sugar.
[00:13:52.200 --> 00:14:01.960] Now, fat and sugar are indeed nutrients, so if you eat it as part of your normal daily intake of those things, it's a perfectly fine part of your diet.
[00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:09.320] Myth number 17, dark chocolate is healthier than milk chocolate.
[00:14:09.640 --> 00:14:10.680] Not really.
[00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:16.800] Yes, dark chocolate has more of those flavanols and antioxidants, just not enough to make any meaningful difference.
[00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:24.640] Milk chocolate, on the other hand, has more milk solids containing calcium, protein, vitamins, potassium, and more.
[00:14:24.640 --> 00:14:27.920] But also, not enough to make any meaningful difference.
[00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:31.120] Look, no chocolate is a magical superfood.
[00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.760] Pick the kind you like the best and enjoy it in moderation.
[00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:38.960] Myth number 18.
[00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.160] There is no chocolate Brian won't eat.
[00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.960] It turns out this myth is false.
[00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.680] There is indeed a chocolate Brian won't eat.
[00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:53.840] When I was a kid, someone gave us these gold foil-wrapped chocolate coins, probably for Easter.
[00:14:53.840 --> 00:15:04.960] I don't know if they were mostly just wax or if they'd gone bad or were just incredibly cheaply made, but to this day I can't stand the thought of eating chocolate coins that come in foil wrappers.
[00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:06.800] They were disgusting.
[00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:10.000] Call me crazy, I can still taste them.
[00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:14.640] So, now you know all there is to know about chocolate myths.
[00:15:14.640 --> 00:15:19.520] Some are true, some are false, but most aren't enough so that it makes any real difference.
[00:15:19.520 --> 00:15:20.880] Enjoy your chocolate.
[00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:26.720] Don't eat too much of it, like I do, and be sure to do what I say and not what I do.
[00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:36.080] We continue with a topic we've only now just breached: wax in chocolate, in the ad-free and extended premium feed.
[00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:41.920] To access it, become a supporter at skeptoid.com/slash go premium.
[00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:58.400] A great big skeptoid shout out to our premium supporters, including Gail Knapp, Abra Sonnenstein, Mad Brad, Virginia's only skeptic, and of course, Marcos.
[00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:11.400] Check out our 40-minute movie, Principles of Curiosity, that teaches the basics of scientific skepticism and critical thinking in a far-ranging journey that takes you from the depths of Death Valley to the highest points in space.
[00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:16.520] It's free on YouTube and at principlesofcuriosity.com.
[00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.160] And follow us on your favorite social media for even more great content.
[00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:27.640] You'll find both Skeptoid and me, Brian Dunning, on all your favorite social media platforms.
[00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.600] Skeptoid is a production of Skeptoid Media.
[00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.600] Director of Operations and Tinfoil Hat Counter is Kathy Reitmeyer.
[00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.120] Marketing guru and Illuminati liaison is Jake Young.
[00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.720] Production Management and All Things Audio by Will McCamblis.
[00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.880] Music is by Lee Sanders.
[00:16:43.880 --> 00:16:47.000] Researched and written by me, Brian Dunning.
[00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.720] Listen to Skeptoid for free on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or iHeart.
[00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.240] You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported program.
[00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.840] I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com.
[00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:08.040] From PRX.