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How Genes Shape Your Risk Taking & Morals | Dr. Kathryn Paige Harden

February 9, 2026

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  • The onset and pace of puberty are linked to cellular aging, with early onset puberty predicting shorter lifespan in females and rapid pace predicting emotional difficulties in males. 
  • Behaviors categorized as the 'seven deadly sins' (like addiction, aggression, and lust) show significant genetic overlap, suggesting shared neurodevelopmental origins related to the balance of brain excitation and inhibition. 
  • The perception that genetic information reveals an 'essential self' or inherent badness (like the 'bad seed' concept) is a cultural narrative that complicates the scientific understanding of genetic liabilities for maladaptive behaviors. 
  • The MAOA gene mutation, which affects neurotransmitter regulation, illustrates how a single DNA change can have a massive effect on impulsive, aggressive behavior, particularly in males due to having only one X chromosome. 
  • Holding both the knowledge of genetic/biological predisposition and human outrage/blame simultaneously is the central challenge when judging harmful behavior, as genetic causes make it difficult to imagine an alternative self free from condemnation. 
  • Psychological research suggests that rewarding desired behavior is a far more effective strategy for shaping behavior across species (rats, children, dogs) than applying harsh punishment, which often only satisfies a retributive urge. 
  • The common justification of punishment relies heavily on the language of 'choice,' which may serve to entitle people to punish others rather than focusing on harm prevention or power structures. 
  • The human drive to enforce social norms, rooted in our cooperative evolution, makes us highly attuned to unfairness and freeloading, often leading to dopamine release upon seeing perceived wrongdoers punished. 
  • Differences between genetically identical individuals (including twins) arise from 'developmental noise'—a combination of initial randomness and path-dependent responses to experience, suggesting individuality is neither purely nature nor nurture. 
  • The heritability of traits like cognition and personality tends to increase with age because individuals actively select environments that align with their genetically shaped temperaments. 

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Punishment Reward Brain Activity
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  • Key Takeaway: Dopamine reward is observed in the brain when witnessing the punishment of a perceived wrongdoer.
  • Summary: The brain shows activity in the interior insula when observing suffering, similar to experiencing shock. This empathy response is overridden by dopamine reward if the observed person is first established as a moral violator. This desire to see punishment functions like a fundamental lust, similar to substance or sexual desire.
Guest Introduction and Focus
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Kathryn Paige Harden studies gene-environment interaction shaping life trajectories, especially during adolescence.
  • Summary: Dr. Kathryn Paige Harden is a psychologist and geneticist at the University of Texas at Austin. Her expertise lies in how genes interact with life events, particularly during adolescence, to influence long-term mental and physical health. The discussion covers addiction, criminality, trauma, sin, and forgiveness.
Adolescence Research Rationale
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  • Key Takeaway: Adolescence is a critical window because mental illness risk increases, life trajectories solidify, and gene-environment interplay becomes apparent.
  • Summary: Adolescence is clinically significant as most substance use disorders, depression risk increases, and first psychotic episodes emerge during this time. From a developmental perspective, individual differences and life trajectories become deeply apparent and canalized during the teenage years. The research focuses on how genes and family environments combine during this period.
Defining Adolescence Ages
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  • Key Takeaway: Adolescence typically begins with puberty (ages 10-13) and extends until social roles of adulthood are assumed, often studied up to age 25.
  • Summary: Adolescence is defined by the transition to reproductive and social maturity, starting with physical changes around ages 10 to 13. The end point is more controversial, historically tied to assuming adult social roles, which is now often pushed back later. The speaker’s research typically covers the 15-year period between ages 10 and 25.
Puberty Timing and Lifespan Link
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  • Key Takeaway: Early pubertal timing in girls predicts shorter lifespan, while pubertal pace (tempo) is more critical for boys’ emotional development.
  • Summary: Early onset of puberty in girls is the best predictor of increased risk for mental and physical health problems, including earlier menopause. For boys, the speed at which puberty unfolds (tempo) appears more impactful on emotional development than the exact starting time. Cellular aging, measured by the epigenome’s DNA methylation clock, correlates with physical maturity, suggesting reproductive development is tied to lifespan development across species.
Puberty and Cognitive Plasticity
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  • Key Takeaway: The onset of puberty correlates with the end of a critical period of heightened neuroplasticity, though plasticity continues throughout life.
  • Summary: The plasticity available around puberty is an order of magnitude greater than that available in older adulthood. Cognitive functions like executive function seem more age-related, while sensitivity to risk and peer influence is more tied to pubertal development. Manipulating puberty onset in animals does not necessarily extend this critical window for plasticity.
Sponsor Breaks
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  • Key Takeaway: BetterHelp offers online therapy, and Lingo provides continuous glucose monitoring for metabolic health insights.
  • Summary: BetterHelp connects users with licensed therapists entirely online, emphasizing the time efficiency and benefit of regular therapy sessions. Lingo uses a continuous glucose monitor to show real-time glucose impact from food and actions, helping users maintain stable energy and mental clarity by avoiding sharp glucose spikes and crashes.
Environmental Cues on Puberty Onset
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  • Key Takeaway: The presence of a non-biological father is associated with earlier puberty in girls, possibly reflecting environmental resource stability cues.
  • Summary: Human girls raised without a biological father tend to enter puberty earlier, hypothesized to be an evolutionary response to perceived environmental instability. This effect is complex, as maternal genetics and reproductive choices also influence family structure and daughter’s pubertal timing. The overall age of puberty continues to decline across successive cohorts due to combined genetic and environmental factors.
Defining Sin and Clinical Overlap
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  • Key Takeaway: The ‘seven deadly sins’ scientifically map onto impulsive behaviors with short-term pleasure but long-term negative consequences for self or others.
  • Summary: Behaviors like wrath, lust, and greed become ‘sins’ when they lead to harm, not merely when they are experienced as emotions like anger or desire. Clinically, these map onto disorders like substance use disorders and conduct disorder, characterized by impulsivity and negative outcomes. Genes associated with these behaviors show significant overlap and are most highly expressed during early neurodevelopment in utero.
Genetic Overlap and Neurodevelopment
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  • Key Takeaway: Genes predisposing to addiction, impulsivity, and aggression are polygenic, distributed across the genome, and primarily active during second and third-trimester cortical development.
  • Summary: Adoption studies show that the ‘seven deadly sins’ run in families, suggesting a common genetic influence across seemingly disparate behaviors. The associated genes affect the brain’s balance between GABA (inhibition) and glutamate (excitation) systems early in development. This suggests substance use disorders are fundamentally neurodevelopmental disorders, similar to ADHD.
Temperament Dimensions in Maladaptive Behavior
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  • Key Takeaway: Chronic engagement in harmful behaviors often involves a combination of sensation-seeking, disinhibition (failure of self-control), and antagonism (callousness toward others’ harm).
  • Summary: Some individuals seek intense experiences, while others struggle with an inability to stop a behavior once started, and a third group may be indifferent to the negative consequences their actions have on others. Trauma and genetics are deeply interwoven (‘warp and weft’) in shaping the brain and personality that leads to these behaviors.
Genetic Information and Decision Making
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  • Key Takeaway: Current polygenic risk scores offer low confidence for predicting individual outcomes, and providing this data carries risks of false reassurance or essentialist identity framing.
  • Summary: Polygenic scores are not yet precise enough to predict specific outcomes for an individual, similar to knowing average city altitude but not next Tuesday’s weather. Telling someone they have low genetic risk might grant them ’license to drink more,’ while telling them they have high risk can lead to essentialist self-labeling. Responsible delivery requires acknowledging that genetic data is never siloed from observed family phenotypes.
Partner Choice and Genetic Selection
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  • Key Takeaway: Humans engage in unconscious genetic selection when choosing partners, making the discussion around explicit genetic selection unnecessarily fear-inducing.
  • Summary: People naturally select partners based on observable traits, many of which have genetic underpinnings, such as avoiding partners with known parental alcoholism. Attuned parents consider their child’s unique temperament and genetic risks when shaping their environment, such as managing cannabis use risk differently for sons versus daughters.
Identity, Lineage, and Trauma
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  • Key Takeaway: Discovering unknown genetic lineage, such as a non-biological father, can cause profound psychological shifts in identity and family narrative.
  • Summary: Genetic information can be interpreted as revealing one’s ’truest self,’ leading to identity crises when lineage is unexpectedly revealed. Children can internalize negative information about their genetic origins, leading them to believe they are inherently ‘bad’ or ‘broken.’ Parents should avoid speaking negatively about a co-parent, as this can be interpreted by children as a reflection of their own inherent nature.
Pre-Pubertal Aggression and Sex Ratio
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  • Key Takeaway: Severe, callous, proactive aggression in boys before age 10 is a strong predictor of adult antisocial behavior and substance use disorders, independent of puberty hormones.
  • Summary: The worst prognosis for antisocial behavior involves aggression before age 10, especially when coupled with a lack of guilt or callous emotional features. This early onset behavior, seen in a 2:1 to 4:1 male-to-female ratio, suggests underlying neurodevelopmental factors independent of post-utero testosterone. This biological presentation is often misinterpreted as a moral failing rather than a treatable biomedical problem.
The Whitman Case and Biological Determinism
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  • Key Takeaway: Cases like the UT Tower shooting, where a brain tumor was found post-mortem, highlight the tension between viewing behavior as a biological event versus a moral failing.
  • Summary: The autopsy of the UT Tower shooter revealed a brain tumor, leading authorities to view the event as a catastrophe rather than an act of moral choice. This raises the question of how many other destructive behaviors stem from unknown organic causes that are never investigated because the behavior is framed as purely immoral. The MAOA gene mutation study further illustrates how a single genetic change can lead to severe, unflagged criminal behavior.
MAOA Gene and Criminality Link
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  • Key Takeaway: A rare mutation in the MAOA gene on the X chromosome was found in multiple men in one family linked to criminal behavior, highlighting sex differences in genetic expression due to having one versus two X chromosomes.
  • Summary: The MAOA gene encodes an enzyme that degrades monoamines regulating neuronal communication. Women have two X chromosomes, providing a backup if one copy is mutated, whereas men only have one X, making them fully susceptible if they inherit the mutated version from their mother. The discovery prompted the chilling question of whether such genetic causes for horrific behavior are often overlooked because researchers fail to look beyond obvious causes.
Holding Dual Truths on Blame
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  • Key Takeaway: Humans naturally shift empathy toward victims following harm, which can occlude the understanding of underlying biological or genetic causes for the perpetrator’s actions.
  • Summary: The challenge lies in simultaneously holding the truths that behavior is shaped by genes and environment, and that humans possess a natural outrage and blame response toward those who cause harm. When severe harm occurs, empathy often focuses entirely on the victim, making it difficult to consider the perpetrator’s biological context, such as a brain tumor or genetic predisposition.
Genes, Free Will, and Moral Judgment
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  • Key Takeaway: Because genes are far upstream from behavior, it is psychologically difficult to separate the self subject to moral judgment from the genetic cause, unlike external factors like a brain virus (rabies) or tumor.
  • Summary: When a cause like rabies is external and temporary, people can easily imagine the person before the affliction, allowing for moral separation. However, because genetics are seen as essential to the self, it is hard to cast a different self with different genetics, thus making it difficult to rescue that self from condemnation.
Inheritance Anxiety and Bad Seeds
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  • Key Takeaway: There may be a hardwired, unconscious human notion that eliminating individuals with genes predisposing them to severe negative behavior stops the propagation of those ‘bad genes,’ leading to a ‘good riddance’ sentiment.
  • Summary: The concept of inheritance drives an unconscious desire to stop the progression of negative genetic traits through reproduction. This is reflected in cultural advice like meeting a potential partner’s parents to assess genetic background. The speaker suggests that when destructive individuals are eliminated, society may unconsciously feel relief that the lineage is stopped.
Orchids, Dandelions, and Skilled Care
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  • Key Takeaway: Children can be metaphorically categorized as resilient ‘dandelions’ or highly sensitive ‘orchids,’ where the latter require more skillful and loving care due to their temperament and brain development.
  • Summary: This metaphor, often applied to dogs needing skilled owners based on breeding and temperament, suggests that some children are resilient across various environments, while others are highly sensitive to their surroundings. Offspring of parents with negative traits are not inherently ‘bad puppies’ but are higher-needs individuals requiring more skillful care to thrive.
Evolutionary Basis of Moral Enforcement
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  • Key Takeaway: The intense feeling of moral outrage when someone harms another stems from an evolutionary history where cooperation required enforcement mechanisms against freeloaders or norm violators.
  • Summary: Humans are evolved to matter to each other morally, driven by the need to cooperate within social species. This history includes enforcement mechanisms against failures to cooperate, which explains the intensity of moral outrage when social norms are violated.
Navigating the Rescue-Blame Trap
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  • Key Takeaway: The ‘rescue-blame trap’ involves oscillating between blaming an agent for a horrible act based on their agency and rescuing them from blame due to their underlying biological or environmental history.
  • Summary: This trap is navigated by accepting that bad luck does not negate responsibility, but holding someone accountable does not necessitate harsh punishment or suffering. Accountability should focus on future behavior rather than solely on past retribution.
Genetic Recombination and Cycle Breaking
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  • Key Takeaway: Genetic recombination ensures that every child is a novel, unpredictable product, meaning lineage is not an unbroken chain of parental traits, enabling ‘cycle breakers’ in families.
  • Summary: Despite transgenerational trauma, individuals can break negative family patterns in a single generation, such as children of alcoholics choosing sobriety. The term ‘reproduce’ is misleading; every child is ‘produced’ as a new draw of parental genotypes, leading to significant personality differences even within the same family.
Positive Attributes of Negative Traits
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  • Key Takeaway: Traits often labeled negatively, such as high risk tolerance, sensation seeking, and disagreeableness, can be highly adaptive and favored in certain competitive environments like entrepreneurship or academia.
  • Summary: Successful entrepreneurs under 30 often exhibit high IQ, social advantage, and a history of adolescent delinquency, which reflects risk tolerance necessary for starting a business. Similarly, academics may thrive by being competitive and resistant to external direction, demonstrating that some ’negative’ traits have positive utility in specific niches.
Sex Differences in Aggression and Conflict
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  • Key Takeaway: The same genes that predict physical aggression in boys predict relational aggression (destroying reputation/social standing) in girls, which is often more covert but equally damaging.
  • Summary: Relational aggression, which involves social isolation, is deeply painful because ancestral exclusion meant death, making humans highly attuned to it. Girls often practice conflict and repair cycles from a very young age (four years old), making them more adept at repairing relationship conflicts than teenage boys, who resolve conflict through more primitive physical means.
Addiction Liability and Impulse Control Gaps
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  • Key Takeaway: The underlying genetic etiology for addiction and disinhibition appears remarkably consistent between men and women, but men exhibit higher mean rates of acting out due to a decade-long gap in impulse control maturation.
  • Summary: Boys’ inhibitory control matures significantly slower than girls’; it takes men until about age 24 to reach the level of control an average 15-year-old girl possesses. While sensation-seeking genes are similarly distributed, the slower development of impulse control in males leads to higher rates of externalized behaviors like aggression and substance use.
Punishment vs. Reward in Behavior Shaping
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  • Key Takeaway: Punishment, defined as applying an aversive stimulus to reduce behavior, is consistently less effective than rewarding desired behavior across species, including humans, and increasing penalty harshness does not reduce crime rates.
  • Summary: Decades of evidence show that harshness, including corporal punishment for children or increased criminal penalties, does not lead to better behavior outcomes on average. The most effective strategy involves setting consequences and boundaries while focusing on rewarding the behavior one wishes to see more of.
Forward-Looking vs. Backward-Looking Justice
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  • Key Takeaway: A forward-looking conception of justice focuses on maximizing future safety and behavioral change, contrasting with backward-looking justice, which centers on whether a wrongdoer deserves to suffer based on past actions.
  • Summary: The constant weighing of how much someone deserves to hurt is an emotional abyss; instead, the focus should be on what needs to change for the future and ensuring others feel safe around the individual. This forward-looking approach supports consequences like a ‘penalty box’ (temporary removal from society) rather than designing systems purely for retribution and suffering.
Punishment, Power, and Choice Language
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  • Key Takeaway: Debates over punishment in society are often debates about power structures, frequently leveraged by emphasizing the concept of ‘choice’ to justify imposing suffering or inconvenience on others.
  • Summary: In non-human species, enforcement of norms consistently involves reducing the punished organism’s fitness opportunities. In human culture, the language of choice is often used to justify punitive actions, framing inconvenience or suffering as deserved because the individual ‘chose’ the path leading to it.
Choice, Punishment, and Power
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  • Key Takeaway: The emphasis on ‘choice’ in American culture is often leveraged to justify punishment rather than addressing systemic power dynamics or harm prevention.
  • Summary: The language of choice is frequently used to rationalize punishment, shifting focus away from structural justifications like preventing harm or maintaining power. Examples like airline overbooking illustrate how personal choice is cited to impose inconvenience or penalty on individuals. This linguistic pattern suggests a cultural interest in maintaining the entitlement to punish.
Reward, Competition, and Fairness
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  • Key Takeaway: Humans possess a primal drive to monitor and compete over rewards, even in trivial sibling contexts, reflecting an evolutionary sensitivity to resource distribution.
  • Summary: Observations of sibling competition over soda and dogs competing for food highlight an innate focus on relative reward status. This sensitivity extends to cooperation, as freeloading—being rewarded without contributing to the collective—is deeply detrimental to cooperative societies. People pay close attention to how much others are rewarded, often linking it to perceived fairness.
Punishment Norms in Social Games
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  • Key Takeaway: The ability to publicly punish non-contributors is essential for establishing and maintaining cooperative social norms, leading groups to migrate toward punishing structures.
  • Summary: In economic simulations, societies allowing participants to pay to punish those who didn’t contribute enough quickly established strong norms of reciprocity (‘if you get a lot, you give a lot’). Societies without the ability to punish collapsed because individuals withheld contributions, demonstrating that punishment mechanisms are crucial for enforcing collective effort. This mechanism is tied to dopamine release, as seeing unfairness or freeloading activates a strong negative response.
Inequality vs. Unfairness
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  • Key Takeaway: Humans are fundamentally more averse to perceived unfairness than to simple inequality, provided the inequality is deemed just.
  • Summary: The feeling of injustice strongly activates individuals, often diverting energy away from other life goals. Monetization systems online can hijack this sense of injustice to drive engagement without facilitating actual change. Psychologist Paul Bloom notes that people prefer inequality over unfairness, indicating that the perceived legitimacy of the distribution dictates the emotional response.
Online Community Collapse
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  • Key Takeaway: Modern digital connectivity diffuses the small-group reciprocal interactions necessary for establishing and enforcing community rules through reward and punishment.
  • Summary: In online environments, people argue about the rules mid-game because the dense, reciprocal community structure that historically defined social norms is absent. This leads to escalating consequences or ‘yelling into the void’ because the interaction lacks the accountability of a real, cohesive group. The challenge is balancing awareness of global injustice with acting locally where energy can effect tangible change.
Identical Twin Differences and Development
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  • Key Takeaway: Significant psychological differences between identical twins arise from ‘developmental noise’ and path-dependent responses to experience, not solely genetics or environment.
  • Summary: Individuality emerges in genetically identical organisms (mice, armadillos, twins) through developmental noise, which is neither nature nor nurture but reflects initial chaos in development. Experience causes the nervous system to respond, leading diverging paths over time, evidenced by the 50% concordance rate for schizophrenia in identical twins. Heritability estimates actually increase with age as individuals select environments based on their inherent temperaments.
Environment’s Role in Gene Expression
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  • Key Takeaway: DNA is a molecule that requires environmental input to be read and expressed, making all traits sensitive to environmental factors like sunlight or social context.
  • Summary: The human genotype is developmentally programmed to respond flexibly to environmental inputs, which is the basis of adaptability. Gene expression is not automatic; it requires environmental action to be transcribed and read. While specific expertise on sunlight’s impact was noted as lacking, the principle remains that environmental factors dictate which genetic potentials are realized.
Dr. Harden’s New Book
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  • Key Takeaway: Dr. Kathryn Paige Harden’s new book is titled ‘Original Sin on the Genetics of Vice, the Problem of Blame, and the Future of Forgiveness.’
  • Summary: The book, set for release in early March, explores complex topics related to genetics, morality, blame, and forgiveness. The author expressed excitement about engaging in conversations surrounding these long-considered issues. Listeners are directed to the show notes for links to support the purchase of the book.