Shawn Ryan Show

#263 Steve Bunting – Inside the World of MARSOC Medics and Real-World Combat Medicine

December 18, 2025

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  • Steven Bunting's early life was marked by severe chaos, instability, and multiple traumatic events, including sexual abuse, foster care, and the death of loved ones, which profoundly shaped his later development and coping mechanisms. 
  • The guest and host noted a significant gap in veteran mental health support, specifically the over-reliance on psychological diagnoses like PTSD while neglecting critical underlying physiological factors such as low testosterone. 
  • Bunting's decision to join the Navy as a Hospital Corpsman, intending to serve with the Marines, was heavily influenced by his younger brother's enthusiasm following the 9/11 attacks and his desire to stay connected to him. 
  • Steve Bunting's early fascination with medicine was framed by relating human anatomy to car mechanics, which aided his initial learning process. 
  • Bunting deliberately chose the Force Recon pipeline over the direct BUD/S path due to concerns about his water competency and the risk of being relegated to a non-specialized role if he failed BUD/S. 
  • Despite graduating from BRC, Bunting experienced severe imposter syndrome, feeling that his background as a 'trailer park kid' meant he didn't truly belong among the elite operators, which robbed him of the joy of accomplishment. 
  • The deployment in the Helmand River Valley in 2013 involved complex Village Stability Operations, often complicated by risk-averse command decisions and unreliable Afghan National Army (ANA) partners, particularly Pashtuns who were unwilling to engage the Taliban. 
  • The guest, Steven Bunting, experienced significant operational friction due to partner nation forces, culminating in the expulsion of a local ANA team from their camp after they shot a disabled person, leading to a shift in operational focus toward intelligence gathering. 
  • Post-deployment struggles were severe, marked by insomnia, increased alcohol use, and emotional numbness stemming from the high stress and bureaucracy encountered, which also triggered deep-seated insecurities about his ability to be a father due to his own difficult upbringing. 
  • The speaker's failure in the SEAL Team Six selection psych evaluation served as an early indicator of underlying mental health issues that were previously being masked by blaming the military. 
  • Transitioning from high-threat special operations work to civilian life, including contracting for the Global Response Staff (GRS), often leads to feelings of being a 'slave to the money or lifestyle' and highlights significant cultural differences compared to the Marine Corps. 
  • A profound psychedelic therapy experience, involving Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT, was instrumental in uncovering repressed childhood trauma, facilitating forgiveness, and initiating deep healing in the speaker's personal relationships and spiritual connection. 
  • The speaker strongly advocates for intentional, non-recreational use of psychedelic medicine, noting that traditional use often involved the healer taking the medicine, and warns that over-frequent use is not how the medicine was designed to be utilized. 
  • The profound grief experienced after the suicide of his friend Dan Brown, who suffered multiple TBIs, served as a major catalyst for the speaker's transition into becoming a therapist and coach, emphasizing the importance of well-processed grief. 
  • Sharp Performance, co-founded by a Green Beret officer, provides elite performance coaching to first responders by leveraging coaches with shared operational experience, focusing on tangible life skills (sleep, diet, movement) alongside mental health support, distinct from traditional therapy. 

Segments

Sponsor Reads and Guest Introduction
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  • Key Takeaway: Sharp Performance is a for-profit coaching entity focused on resilience training for high-risk professionals.
  • Summary: The initial segment featured advertisements for AG1 and Ray-Ban Meta Glasses. Steven Bunting was introduced as the Head of Coaching at Sharp Performance, a for-profit company that provides elite performance coaching to first responders and military veterans. The host noted that Sharp’s for-profit status avoids fundraising pressures common in military-focused nonprofits.
VA Mental Health Support Gap
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  • Key Takeaway: The military’s existing mental health support often misdiagnoses trauma by focusing solely on PTSD while ignoring crucial physiological imbalances like low testosterone.
  • Summary: A listener question highlighted the gap between military mental health support and veteran needs. Bunting argued that the system defaults to a psychological diagnosis (PTSD) without addressing underlying physiological issues like low testosterone or poor sleep. Ignoring these physiological components prevents effective resolution of trauma-related symptoms.
Bunting’s Early Life Chaos
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  • Key Takeaway: Steven Bunting experienced severe childhood trauma including sexual abuse by a mother’s boyfriend, resulting in hospitalization and temporary foster care.
  • Summary: Bunting was born in Oceanside, CA, but moved to Alabama at age three after his parents separated due to infidelity. He recalls living in government housing where he and his brother were sexually abused, leading to hospitalization and a period in foster care. Despite the trauma, he maintained compassion for his mother, who was struggling financially.
Abusive Stepfather and Death
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  • Key Takeaway: Subsequent abusive stepfathers continued the pattern of violence, culminating in one dying of brain cancer while living with the family.
  • Summary: After gaining some stability in fourth grade, Bunting endured further abuse from male figures, including a stepfather who enforced strict discipline with a homemade paddle. This stepfather later suffered a seizure, was diagnosed with brain cancer, and died in their trailer during Bunting’s eighth/ninth-grade year, bringing a sense of relief from the chaos.
Loss of Best Friend and Emotional Wall
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  • Key Takeaway: The death of his best friend, Brandon, in a tree-falling accident solidified Bunting’s emotional defense mechanisms, causing him to stop crying and bury his feelings deeply.
  • Summary: Bunting found an escape in his friendship with Brandon, whose family provided stability and introduced him to horses and eventually marijuana use in high school. The accidental death of Brandon in tenth grade caused Bunting to build a nearly impenetrable emotional wall, leading him to suppress all outward signs of pain and grief.
Advice for Traumatized Youth
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  • Key Takeaway: Children experiencing abuse must be told immediately that their body is sacred, the abuse is not their fault, and they should never keep the secret.
  • Summary: Bunting stressed that no one has the right to touch a child or make them do anything against their will; the body is sacred. He emphasized that victims must speak up immediately and understand that the abuse is the fault of the adult predator, not the child. He shared how religious teachings compounded his shame, making him believe he deserved punishment for being victimized.
Path to Military Enlistment
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting enlisted in the Navy in 2006, choosing the Hospital Corpsman rating to stay close to his brother who was joining the Marines.
  • Summary: The 9/11 attacks sparked Bunting’s initial interest in service, but his younger brother’s decision to join the Marines was the primary catalyst for Bunting enlisting in 2006. After a hostile encounter with a Marine recruiter, Bunting chose the Navy to become a Hospital Corpsman, hoping to be assigned to his brother’s Marine unit.
Early Medical Fascination
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  • Key Takeaway: Childhood interest in medicine was linked to car systems via hyper-focus.
  • Summary: Steve Bunting watched medical shows like Rescue 9-1-1 and ER and was fascinated by the subject matter. He could hyper-focus on topics he was interested in, relating the path of blood through the heart to an engine’s oil management system. The nervous system was analogized to a car’s electrical work, providing a translation for understanding the human body.
Boot Camp Separation and Family
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting and his brother entered the Navy separately, leading to a period of stability with grandparents.
  • Summary: Bunting and his brother went to different boot camps: Paris Island for his brother and Great Lakes for Bunting. Their mother was apprehensive about them joining during the height of the war in Iraq (Fallujah, Ramadi). They moved in with their grandparents in 10th grade, experiencing a more stable environment with resources their mother lacked.
Path to Special Operations
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  • Key Takeaway: Initial interest in special operations was sparked by recruiters showing frogman and EOD videos in boot camp.
  • Summary: During boot camp, recruiters showed videos of specialized roles, prompting Bunting to volunteer for that path. He hesitated to sign a direct BUD/S contract because failing meant being assigned as a deck seaman, not a Corpsman. A mentor, a Recon Corpsman named Dave, inspired Bunting to pursue the Recon pipeline instead.
Recon Pipeline Choice Rationale
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting avoided the direct BUD/S path due to concerns over water competency and the immediate high-stakes selection.
  • Summary: Bunting and a friend Rodney were the only ones in their group who did not opt for a BUD/S contract, preferring the Recon path. He recognized that the 50-meter underwater crossover required for BUD/S was not something he could master quickly. The Recon pipeline offered more time to develop necessary skills, including dive school, before facing the most demanding physical tests.
Defining the Recon Corpsman
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  • Key Takeaway: The Navy Corpsman lineage supporting the Marine Corps dates back to the service’s inception, evolving into specialized rates like SARC.
  • Summary: The Navy Corpsman has historically been attached to Marines since the Marine Corps’ creation, making it the most decorated NEC in the military. Specialized units like the Raiders began in WWII, leading to the need for established special operations Corpsmen (SOIDC). When MARSOC stood up in 2006, SARCs transitioned from supporting Force Recon to the new command.
Recon Pipeline Structure
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  • Key Takeaway: The Force Recon pipeline requires completion of BRC, jump, dive, Dive Med Tech, and 18 Delta, with failure resulting in assignment to the infantry (grunts).
  • Summary: The pipeline is granular, and failure at any stage sends the individual to the grunts. Bunting went through BRC, jump school, dive school, Dive MedTech, and 18 Delta, which is the Army Special Forces Medical Sergeant course. The modern MARSOC pipeline now includes its own selection process (ITC), differing from the Force Recon pipeline Bunting followed.
FieldMed Indoctrination Experience
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  • Key Takeaway: After A school, Corpsmen undergo Marine Corps indoctrination at FieldMed, which mimics Marine boot camp.
  • Summary: Following Corpsman A school, Bunting went through FieldMed for Marine Corps indoctrination, involving intense physical training like pugle sticks and oak horse drills. This phase served as the final opportunity to volunteer for Recon by passing the NSW screener, which mirrors the physical standards of the BUD/S screener.
BRC Experience and Mindset
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting’s difficult childhood provided a mental safe space during BRC, where chaos empowered him while others broke.
  • Summary: Bunting was in good cardio shape and proficient in the combat side stroke, which helped him through BRC, though it was still physically demanding. His background allowed him to view the training as ‘camping’ or a ‘field trip,’ contrasting with others’ experiences. When others broke down, it empowered him, as he felt he had another gear and a mental safe space no one could touch.
Reconnecting with Paternal Family
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting reconnected with his paternal grandparents via a letter, leading to healing and meeting extended family, though his father remained absent.
  • Summary: Bunting invited his father to his BRC graduation, but he did not attend, leading Bunting to feel anger and resentment. He reconnected with his paternal grandmother using an old letter and phone number, traveling four hours by bus to meet his grandparents in Ocotillo. This reunion began healing a void, as his grandparents displayed photos and welcomed him, introducing him to aunts and uncles.
Father’s Suicide and Forgiveness
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting received news of his estranged father’s suicide during his first deployment, leading him to process deep-seated resentment and ultimately offer forgiveness.
  • Summary: Four months into his first deployment, Bunting received a Red Cross message confirming his father’s death by suicide. As the oldest son, he had to return to the US to handle the burial and estate affairs. Bunting stated he would forgive his father, acknowledging his trauma, and wished he could have modeled healing for him.
Post-BRC Family Communication
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting’s mother remained proud but confused about his role, while his brother chose the infantry path over Recon.
  • Summary: Bunting informed his mother he made it through BRC, but she repeatedly mistook his role for being a Navy SEAL. His brother, Mitch, decided against the Recon pipeline after infantry training, preferring his current assignment, which meant Bunting could not be assigned to his team.
Post-BRC Pride and Imposter Syndrome
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  • Key Takeaway: Bunting felt no pride after graduating BRC, instead being consumed by severe imposter syndrome and expecting failure.
  • Summary: Bunting admitted he was not proud of graduating BRC because he viewed it as just another hurdle, constantly fearing the ‘gravy train’ would end. He suffered from severe imposter syndrome, believing his elite status would be revoked when others realized he was just a trailer park kid, which robbed him of experiencing the joy of the achievement.
18 Delta Training and Unit Assignments
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  • Key Takeaway: 18 Delta training is extremely rigorous, producing the best medics globally, with graduates dispersing across all SOF components.
  • Summary: 18 Delta is described as the ‘real deal,’ where the Army cuts many candidates, setting a high standard for medical proficiency. Graduates are assigned to various SOF units, including Rangers, SF, SEAL Teams, and SARCs who can go to Recon Battalion, Force Recon, or MARSOC; 160th SOAR personnel also attend.
Checking into MARSOC Unit
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  • Key Takeaway: Checking into a MARSOC element provided immediate respect for Recon graduates, contrasting with the initial ’new guy’ treatment in Force Recon.
  • Summary: Bunting felt happy to have made it through the pipeline before checking into his first MARSOC team, though the Marine Corps culture still crushed the ’new guy’ mentality. Because MARSOC was established using personnel from First Force Recon, Recon graduates received tremendous respect upon arrival. Bunting was paired with another SARC, providing a better medic-to-operator ratio than the single Corpsman in a Recon platoon.
MARSOC Culture and Locking In
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  • Key Takeaway: The MARSOC culture demanded absolute professionalism and commitment due to the high operational tempo and recent losses from combat and green-on-blue incidents.
  • Summary: The MARSOC culture maintained a very high standard, driven by operators who had experienced back-to-back deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bunting realized his previous subconscious tendency to keep one foot out due to imposter syndrome was unsustainable given the high stakes. The recent losses from combat and insider attacks forced personnel to lock in and become true professionals.
Helmand Valley Operations in 2013
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  • Key Takeaway: Village Stability Ops involved 72-96 hour fights to create security bubbles.
  • Summary: The 2013 operations in the Helmand River Valley focused on Village Stability Operations, where commandos fought for 72 to 96 hours to establish a security bubble. This bubble was then used to build up local police and militias to push the perimeter outward. A key area of focus was controlling the rat lines near Zemindawar, which supplied weapons to insurgents operating further south.
Encountering Cody Alford
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  • Key Takeaway: Cody Alford was known as a consummate professional and a ‘fighting machine’ who spoke his mind regardless of rank.
  • Summary: Steven Bunting quickly became a target of a proficient mortar team upon arrival. He connected with Cody Alford, who was already holding the area down, describing him as a maniac and a consummate professional who was brutally honest. Alford was highly respected for his combat acumen, often being correct in his assessments regardless of the audience.
Camp Layout and Partner Anxiety
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  • Key Takeaway: The camp was situated between risk-averse conventional Marines and a ‘squirrely’ Afghan National Army (ANA) company, creating high anxiety.
  • Summary: The operational base was sandwiched between a risk-averse conventional Marine Corps company and an ANA camp, which was considered terrifying by the special operations team. High anxiety persisted due to the threat of ‘green on blue’ incidents, as partner nation forces were viewed with suspicion. The operational tempo was somewhat slower due to risk-averse command decisions from CJ SODAF.
First Kinetic Operation in Machaquel
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  • Key Takeaway: The first probing mission into Machaquel was halted due to IEDs and enemy readiness, confirming the immediate danger.
  • Summary: The initial real-world operations focused on Key Leader Engagement and clearing Taliban activity from Machaquel, the source of mortar fire. A probing mission quickly revealed the area was saturated with IEDs and the enemy was prepared, forcing the element to back off under orders. This confirmed that the enemy had been observing the team for the preceding month.
Conflict with Pashtun Partners
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  • Key Takeaway: The partnered Pashtun ANA team proved rebellious, refused orders, and eventually had to be removed after shooting a disabled person.
  • Summary: The team was partnered with a Pashtun ANA element that had no intention of engaging their own people, leading to operational challenges. This partner force became increasingly rebellious, refusing to follow instructions and exhibiting concerning behavior, including shooting civilians. The situation escalated to the point where the ANA element was forcibly removed from the camp after they shot a disabled person.
Replacement Tajik Partners Prove Aggressive
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  • Key Takeaway: The replacement Tajik partners were highly aggressive and eager for combat, forcing the US team to pull back the reins.
  • Summary: After the Pashtun team was removed, they were replaced by Tajik forces from Tajikistan who possessed Mongolian lineage and actively ‘wanted war.’ These new partners were highly kinetic and immediately began offensive operations into Machaquel without waiting for SODIF approval, which forced the US team to adopt a more strategic, intelligence-focused approach to maintain operational freedom.
Intelligence Gathering via Humanitarian Aid
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  • Key Takeaway: Restricted kinetic operations led to a strategic shift toward intelligence gathering through community engagement.
  • Summary: When kinetic operations were restricted by leadership, the team maximized time spent on provocative patrols, like handing out backpacks at the dangerous Garmob Curb choke point. Steven Bunting used his corpsman role to interview locals under the guise of medical aid, successfully identifying key sympathizers within the local populace who were tired of the Taliban’s presence.
First Combat Casualty and Cricothyrotomy
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  • Key Takeaway: The first combat casualty required Steven Bunting to perform a cricothyrotomy, a rare and critical procedure for a medic.
  • Summary: During a patrol near the Garmob Curb, a partner nation force member was shot in the head, requiring immediate evacuation and stabilization. Bunting performed a cricothyrotomy on the casualty due to an obstructed airway, noting that such procedures are difficult to obtain practice on for medics trained in advanced trauma care. This medical intervention, rather than kinetic action, was cited as a significant event during the deployment.
Trauma from Civilian IED Incident
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  • Key Takeaway: Witnessing the aftermath of an IED detonated by children, prompted by the Taliban, caused a profound moral injury and questioning of the mission’s impact.
  • Summary: Bunting observed children digging up an IED they had previously marked, which subsequently detonated, killing one child and severely injuring his younger brother. When the father demanded money for the injury, Bunting experienced an emotional breakdown, realizing the extent of civilian suffering and questioning the purpose of their involvement. This incident marked a turning point where the consequences of war on civilians became overwhelming.
First Engagement and De-manning Caravan
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  • Key Takeaway: The first kinetic engagement occurred during a slow, multi-day caravan moving south to de-man Forward Operating Bases.
  • Summary: The first time Bunting engaged and neutralized enemy fighters occurred while providing security for a slow-moving caravan tasked with de-manning Forward Operating Bases in the Helmand River Valley. The large caravan moving south became a prime target for the Taliban, leading to an ambush where Bunting used a Mark 19 grenade launcher to neutralize attackers at close range.
Post-Deployment Marital Strain and Alcoholism
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  • Key Takeaway: Returning from the first deployment initiated severe PTSD symptoms, including insomnia and increased drinking, leading to emotional numbness at home.
  • Summary: Upon returning from the first deployment, Bunting began drinking heavily to cope with stress and insomnia, leading to a loss of identity outside of being an operator. He became emotionally numb and distant, making him more comfortable in the operational environment than at home, which deeply affected his three-year-old son. This period was characterized by Bunting trying to convince his wife to divorce him because he felt his family would be better off without him.
Near-Fatal Parachute Malfunction
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  • Key Takeaway: A dual parachute deployment during a routine jump resulted in a near-fatal crash, which was later attributed to equipment malfunction or incorrect barometric settings.
  • Summary: During a routine jump from a Huey, Bunting experienced a dual deployment where his reserve fired into his main canopy, causing a bag lock that prevented proper inflation. He survived by climbing the risers to force the slider down just before impact with a peak, narrowly avoiding a fatal outcome had he cut away. The subsequent investigation suggested either a Cypress malfunction or incorrect barometric pressure settings were to blame.
SARC Movement to Damneck
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  • Key Takeaway: SARC personnel began moving to Damneck, shifting the primary medic billet from PJs to Navy component guys.
  • Summary: Damneck started integrating SARCs as primary medics, a role previously held by PJs. This shift caused a ‘mass exodus’ within that peer group toward Damneck. The speaker used blaming the Marine Corps as a scapegoat for marital issues before deciding to pursue the Damneck opportunity.
Failing SEAL Team Six Psych
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  • Key Takeaway: Failing the psychological screening for a direct support medic role at SEAL Team Six provided the speaker with relief and a catalyst to consider leaving the service.
  • Summary: The speaker failed the psych portion of the selection process despite excelling physically and medically. Failing psych offered no recourse, unlike physical or medical errors. This failure was a glimpse into underlying issues and provided a perceived ‘out’ from the military facade.
Post-Military Education Plans
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  • Key Takeaway: The speaker pursued a bachelor’s degree through George Washington University using 18 Delta credits but found the path to trauma surgery unrealistic.
  • Summary: Encouraged by 18 Delta relationships, the speaker began chipping away at a bachelor’s degree while on deployment. The initial goal was to become a trauma surgeon, but the realization that it would take ten years led to shifting focus toward becoming a Physician Assistant (PA). Unresolved personal issues surfaced during this academic period, leading to anxiety and a panic attack.
Transition to GRS Contracting
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  • Key Takeaway: A friend connected the speaker to the Global Response Staff (GRS) contracting role, which provided immediate income after struggling with civilian education.
  • Summary: While struggling with anger outbursts and instability during his education pursuit, the speaker was contacted about the GRS program supporting the CIA. He joined in 2017, recognizing the gravity of the role quickly during Training Course Development (TDC). The vetting process was rigorous, starting with 13-14 candidates and graduating only four.
GRS Culture and Political Realities
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  • Key Takeaway: The culture within GRS teams was marked by disgruntled personnel, contrasting sharply with the singular focus of the Marine Corps on seeking and killing the enemy.
  • Summary: GRS teams often contained many angry individuals seemingly trapped by the money and lifestyle, leading to personal issues like multiple divorces. The agency side was deeply political, unlike the straightforward mission focus of the Marine Corps. The speaker completed three tours, with the second trip to ‘coast’ being more kinetic than the initial Kabul assignment.
Turning Point in Afghanistan
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  • Key Takeaway: Witnessing civilians fishing food from gray water while on a QRF mission during the third tour solidified the speaker’s decision to resign from contracting.
  • Summary: The third trip in the summer of 2019 occurred as Afghanistan was politically deteriorating, leading the speaker to join Quick Reaction Force (QRF) missions more frequently. He felt emotionally numb to the kinetic action, realizing his body and nervous system were worn out. Seeing the mother and child scavenging for food revealed the futility, causing him to resign immediately afterward, using a minor pay dispute as a scapegoat.
Post-Service Family Dynamics
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  • Key Takeaway: The speaker attempted to reconnect with his son through structured coaching but realized his son needed an approachable, sensitive father rather than a ‘warrior builder.’
  • Summary: After leaving the military, the speaker focused intensely on coaching his son in sports, believing this structured time would compensate for past absence. He later acknowledged that his son needed sensitivity and an approachable father, not someone focused on building a warrior. The speaker and his wife are now in a very good place after his healing journey.
Brother’s Suicide and Recklessness
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  • Key Takeaway: The suicide of his brother, Mitch, who struggled with TBI and medication withdrawal, deepened the speaker’s own darkness, leading him to seek death in combat.
  • Summary: The speaker’s brother spiraled after divorce and TBI diagnosis, suffering a seizure from Xanax withdrawal, which delayed his move to California. Mitch ultimately died by suicide after being prescribed narcotics for a tonsillectomy. This loss deepened the speaker’s darkness, causing him to become reckless and wish for death in combat to be remembered as a ‘badass hero.’
Pact Against Suicide
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  • Key Takeaway: The speaker and his close friend Dan, both dealing with friends committing suicide post-service, made a pact to support each other and avoid taking their own lives.
  • Summary: The speaker and his best friend Dan, who also sustained a TBI, were constantly receiving calls about friends committing suicide after leaving the service. They explicitly promised each other they would not commit suicide and would intervene if one needed help. This pact was formed while the speaker was beginning to explore the plant medicine space.
Psychedelic Therapy Revelation
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  • Key Takeaway: The Ibogaine experience revealed repressed childhood sexual abuse, allowing the speaker to forgive his abuser by recognizing the abuser’s own past trauma.
  • Summary: The speaker entered the psychedelic therapy session desperate, and the medicine brought forth repressed memories of being molested alongside his brother. He saw the abuser’s face clearly for the first time and offered forgiveness, realizing the abuser was also a wounded little boy. This resolution allowed the speaker to see how the trauma impacted every area of his life, including intimacy with his wife.
Integration and Spiritual Reconnection
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  • Key Takeaway: The integration process following psychedelic therapy is crucial, as the experience itself is only a small part of the lifelong work required for self-love and spiritual grounding.
  • Summary: The speaker emphasizes that integration—the work before and after the session—is everything, as there are no shortcuts to healing. The experience reconnected him to God, filling a spiritual void that had been present since his time in combat. He also encouraged his wife to undergo a similar experience, which helped them both reconcile personal childhood traumas and finally connect deeply.
Medicine, Spirituality, and Caution
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  • Key Takeaway: Psychedelic experiences often feel like entering a real spiritual realm, necessitating extreme caution due to potential dark components.
  • Summary: The speaker feels strongly about the spiritual aspect of medicine experiences, acknowledging a connection to God, but stresses that these experiences are not a game and carry risks. Traditional indigenous use often involved the shaman taking the medicine to work on the afflicted person’s issues, rather than the seeker taking it directly. Overuse, such as attending psychedelic retreats every weekend, is cautioned against as the body was not designed for that frequency.
Catalyst for Therapy and Grief
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  • Key Takeaway: The death of his friend Dan Brown, resulting from TBI complications, forced the speaker to confront and process his own unresolved grief through intense, cathartic crying.
  • Summary: The mind-body connection realized through these experiences led the speaker toward becoming a therapist and coach. Dan Brown sustained multiple TBIs from an RPG backblast and struggled with anger and combativeness post-deployment, eventually taking his life. The speaker regretted past ’tough love’ approaches and chose to fully feel the grief upon hearing the news, leading to a four-hour crying session that provided a major healing revelation about the importance of grieving well.
Transition to Coaching and Therapy
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  • Key Takeaway: The speaker’s wife challenged his plan to become a Physician Assistant, asserting he possessed a gift for listening and needed to pursue a path in therapy.
  • Summary: Initially applying to PA school, the speaker had a profound experience while taking mushrooms with his wife, who told him he was selling himself short by choosing the ’easy path’ of being a PA. She highlighted his natural gift for talking to and helping people, urging him to step into the therapeutic space. This led him to enroll in a Marriage and Family Therapy program, driven by a desire to offer the kind of understanding he felt was missing in his own prior therapy experiences.
Early Coaching and Research Validation
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  • Key Takeaway: The speaker validated his academic learning by immediately working as an integration coach for psychedelic organizations and later on a research team studying LSD for anxiety.
  • Summary: The speaker began as an integration coach with groups like Heroic Hearts and The Mission Within, seeing real-time validation of concepts learned in therapy school. He then joined a research team at Kadima Neuropsychiatry working on LSD trials for generalized anxiety, observing patients interacting with their younger selves. This compounding experience made his master’s program easier and solidified his commitment to the mind-body connection.
Escorting Veterans to Treatment
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  • Key Takeaway: Working for a veteran-owned clinic, the speaker actively flew across the country to escort veterans suffering from dual diagnosis to treatment facilities.
  • Summary: The speaker was hired by Tom Sauer’s veteran-owned clinic to bring veterans in need of dual diagnosis treatment to care, often flying to remote locations like North Montana. This work involved advocating for veterans on reservations, such as the Blackfeet Nation, who were receiving inadequate support from the VA. A pivotal moment involved jumping into freezing river water, leading to an epiphany that he needed to leave California for a new purpose.
Joining Sharp Performance
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  • Key Takeaway: After his planned research job in Alabama fell through due to administrative issues, a connection led the speaker to join Sharp Performance as Head of Coaching.
  • Summary: The speaker’s planned role at a UAB research facility dissolved due to unforeseen restrictions and pay issues, but a colleague connected him with Sharp Performance. He had previously reached out to the company’s founder, Andrew Sackmar, expressing interest in coaching. This transition allowed him to dedicate time to building Sharp Performance after moving his family to Alabama.
Sharp Performance Model Explained
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  • Key Takeaway: Sharp Performance offers first responders access to an app of special operations training and an unlimited marketplace of vetted coaches who share their lived experience.
  • Summary: Sharp Performance was founded by a Green Beret officer to address the rapid reintegration stress faced by first responders, contrasting it with the longer reintegration time for military personnel. Coaches are exclusively prior military, fire, or LEO, providing cultural competency that traditional therapists often lack, ensuring they do not diagnose or assess fitness for duty. Departments receive utilization reports, but individual session details are confidential unless there is an immediate threat to life.
Operator Syndrome Framework
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  • Key Takeaway: Operator Syndrome, defined as high allostatic load, is a physiological framework developed by Chris Free that applies to military, police, and fire personnel experiencing chronic high stress.
  • Summary: Operator Syndrome describes the mental, physical, and social manifestations of prolonged high stress (high allostatic load) common in high-demand professions. Chris Free, a former VA researcher, developed this framework after observing that physiological markers like low testosterone were being overlooked in traditional PTSD diagnoses. Sharp Performance built its program around this science-backed framework, integrating it with coaching to address these underlying issues.
Future Goals and Need for Support
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  • Key Takeaway: Sharp Performance seeks to expand awareness of their services to help first responders and provide purpose for veterans who feel lost after service.
  • Summary: The primary need for Sharp Performance is increasing awareness so that people know there is hope and dedicated support available from individuals who understand their world. The company aims to provide a new purpose for veterans who feel betrayed by the system, allowing them to continue serving by supporting their peers. They emphasize that warriors must step up to support each other rather than waiting for external systems to save them.